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Old 02-04-2008, 10:17 PM   #1
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Default U.S. I.D. card -- Is it time?
I thought it was called a Driver's License.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:29 PM   #2
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It would be nice to consolidate all the various ID cards into one ID card. The problem is if you call it an ID card people start having seizures. Lets just call it an iPaSS.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:33 PM   #3
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Why not just put barcodes on back of peoples heads and implant chips? Would save decades of BS.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:34 PM   #4
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iPaSS

I don't see much difference between a driver's license and an ID card, except the latter seems more efficient.

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Old 02-04-2008, 10:35 PM   #5
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Simpler to just conquer the rest of the world so that no one is an immigrant
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:35 PM   #6
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Simpler to just conquer the rest of the world so that no one is an immigrant Maintenance would be a *****. We'd have to raze a good portion of it so it wouldn't flip back.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:38 PM   #7
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Originally posted by Zkribbler
Drivers' licenses are issued by states, not the national govt. So? The feds like using teh Highway fund as a club. Just have them use that to push a common set of standards. Drivers' licenses are issued to drivers, not to everyone. Not in my experience. I actually saw "Not useable for Driving" stenciled across one when I was a cashier. Anyone can get them as an ID card.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:44 PM   #8
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We already have an iPass, unfortunately, so you'd need a new acronym (Illinois toll electronic payment method)
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:55 PM   #9
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
... I actually saw "Not useable for Driving" stenciled across one when I was a cashier. Anyone can get them as an ID card. Those aren't drivers' licenses. They're State I.D. cards.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:59 PM   #10
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Originally posted by Zkribbler
Those aren't drivers' licenses. They're State I.D. cards. Which they got from what part of government?
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:08 AM   #11
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The DMV.
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:15 AM   #12
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Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
I think it's overdue, you'd feel a lot safer with it, and as a plus in US noone would even get to know when gov drops, by accident, 300 mil ID records into the hands of someone else, like were are finding about it here in UK on a monthly basis (with various other forms of ID information)... No one would find out? What on earth gives you that idea?

http://www.news.com/Veterans-data-sw...3-6075212.html
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:52 AM   #13
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
So? The feds like using teh Highway fund as a club. Just have them use that to push a common set of standards. You're aware of that funny document we have called the Constitution, right? With that silly phrase in there somewhere requiring states to accept other states' drivers licenses etc. (or at least as interpreted in the courts, they obviously didn't drive when this was approved)...

I (separately) highly doubt that a federal drivers license would be constitutional - or at least, that one that mandatorily replaces state licenses. I'm not sure how the highway fund would affect this, or the first point (the state DL with federal standards) - if the feds are allowed to bribe states to do things they are constitutionally barred from enforcing otherwise - but I think this would be unconstitutional. Either way, full faith and credit implies the states get to set their own standard...

A National ID in general would be interesting if challenged (by the ACLU presumably). I suspect they'd have significant qualms about it, if it's required for things that normally the states are permitted to control (ie, jobs, airline travel, etc.) This is traditionally the realm of the states, and they have some constitutional basis behind this. I certainly don't support this infringement on the right of the states...
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:03 AM   #14
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No such thing as tamper proof. This illusion is very dangerous and creates a dysfunction that in itself is a security risk possibly much greater than the status quo. Good luck making a forgery of my military CAC card. If someone thinks so highly of my identity they are willing to spend a few dozen million pulling it off, they deserve my identity.

National ID cards with the full assortment of biometrics make sense. Hell we can still have states issue them using universal standards. Same card, different graphics like the quarters.

All credit cards should have the same tamper proof biometics as well.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:14 AM   #15
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Originally posted by snoopy369
- if the feds are allowed to bribe states to do things they are constitutionally barred from enforcing otherwise - South Dakota v. Dole seems to argue in my favor if I'm reading the case right.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:34 AM   #16
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Is that the u21 drinking age?

I'm not a big fan of the idea of federal bribery to follow federal standards, but at the same time there are some benefits to it. I suppose in things relating to interstate commerce I support it, and otherwise I don't. ID card is somewhat related, but it also has a tougher standard (it's actually in the constitution, essentially, while other things are not), so I'd rather see if we can't come up with a better solution.

Perhaps a multi-state convention with state governors coming up with a standard they all agree to follow? There is some precedent for that (1787 if nothing else ) and it would maintain the states' right to issue ID cards at their discretion, while also providing consistent, safe, easily identified ID cards for state-to-state commerce.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:08 AM   #17
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snoopy, come on. You don't want to know how people are going to spend the money when they ask you for it?
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:33 AM   #18
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Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
Why not just put barcodes on back of peoples heads and implant chips? Would save decades of BS. Because the barcodes would be more convenient on the forehead?
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:39 AM   #19
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Make it a felony to cover the bar code.
Because you know, it needs to be visible to the omnipresent surveillance cameras, how else are you going to track the population .
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:58 AM   #20
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And that's why the barcode needs to be on the forehead! Then only fringe regulations are required.
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