[gogoleanylinkfo]

Maldonado is such a chop, personally i think the accident wouldnt have happened if he didnt jump the start since it confused everybody. Which he clearly did jump IMO.
And then he crashed out later anyway, idiot.

[PriniMai]

As i've said before, showing little bits of skill now and again does not make a good driver! What a nob!

Great race though.

[Flirigor]

Shame, I was starting like Grosjean as well.

Good drive from Button however it's not like he had any competition, Hamilton was compromised in qualifying due to a stupid decision to change his wing by the team and the main competition was taken about by a kamikaze move by Grosjean at the start.

Maldonado's start was hilarious as well and he crashes out.

[lidersontop]

Grosjean got 1 race penalty, aka no Grosjean in Monza (unless Lotus complains on the decisions and manages to get it through)
Lotus's "3rd driver" is Jérôme d'Ambrosio, who drove for Marussia last year

[whatisthebluepill]

I think that penalty is amybe a bit harsh. Yes he was careless and the consequences were rather bad, but it wasn't Maldonado-bad was it?

[lidersontop]

Maldonado gets 10 place penalty to Monza, 5 from the terrible jumpstart and 5 for colliding with Glock

[pseusawbappem]

I think that penalty is amybe a bit harsh. Yes he was careless and the consequences were rather bad, but it wasn't Maldonado-bad was it?

His actions initiated a major crash (in which we are lucky no one was seriously hurt) at the most dangerous part of a Grand Prix, the start. I'd say it was pretty bad and a penalty well deserved imo.

[lidersontop]

His actions initiated a major crash (in which we are lucky no one was seriously hurt) at the most dangerous part of a Grand Prix, the start. I'd say it was pretty bad and a penalty well deserved imo.

There's been worse crashes too without such penalties, but this was probably taking into account all the other first lap crashes Grosjean has been involved in.

BUT - there's one thing definitely wrong with the decision - stewards said this as part of the reason for penalty: "It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race" - why the f#%k does it matter how the people involved in crash are positioned on the championship table?
That's practicly like saying "feel free to crash as long as the ones you crash into aren't running for the championship win"

[ggandibazz]

I think that penalty is amybe a bit harsh. Yes he was careless and the consequences were rather bad, but it wasn't Maldonado-bad was it?

His previous form ( 7 in 12 ) of ****ing up on first laps didn't help.

Plus the fact he took a Ferrari driver out, I'm surprised FIA hasn't pushed for a lifetime ban.

[whatisthebluepill]

His previous form ( 7 in 12 ) of ****ing up on first laps didn't help.

Plus the fact he took a Ferrari driver out, I'm surprised FIA hasn't pushed for a lifetime ban.

Yeah exactly, like what Kaotika said about what the stewards said. It shouldn't matter who was hit.

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His actions initiated a major crash (in which we are lucky no one was seriously hurt) at the most dangerous part of a Grand Prix, the start. I'd say it was pretty bad and a penalty well deserved imo.

My point was that he can't have known Hamilton was there, or at least he didn't intend to create a crash. Unlike a certain other driver who has on more than one occasion. It was more like manslaughter than murder if you get what I mean.

[gogoleanylinkfo]

"It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race"

Thats an apalling thing for them to say. Do you have the article link ?

[ggandibazz]

Thats an apalling thing for them to say. Do you have the article link ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19458954

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...2/9/13740.html

[Aafimoq]

LOL just watching the race and Alonso taking ages to get out means he was either in shock or shat himself, or both

[lidersontop]

LOL just watching the race and Alonso taking ages to get out means he was either in shock or shat himself, or both

Or as any Ferrari driver, he was expecting the trackside personnel to put his car back together and push him back to race

[zdlupikkkdi]

I think that penalty is amybe a bit harsh. Yes he was careless and the consequences were rather bad, but it wasn't Maldonado-bad was it?

Apparently this is his 7th collision on the start of a race (this season), it might not all be his fault, but this one was.

[crazuMovies]

A one race ban is harsh. If he'd done exactly the same thing and Hamilton had braked and lost a few places there would of been no punishment. It's only because there was a crash that he's getting punished.

[PapsEdisa]

A one race ban is harsh. If he'd done exactly the same thing and Hamilton had braked and lost a few places there would of been no punishment. It's only because there was a crash that he's getting punished.

That's a bit of a ridiculous notion... This isn't driving on public roads. A few basic rules apply, one being that if you're overtaking someone else, the one doing the overtaking is responsible for doing so safely, while the one being overtaken is generally supposed to stick to their lines. Hamilton stuck to his line, even moved over as far as he could. You don't brake just because someone might drive into you. Meanwhile Grosjean is responsible for overtaking safely, and he admitted to having made the mistake by thinking he'd gotten by already.

With so many rash maneouvres and crashes, especially this stupid and avoidable one, I think a race ban sends a proper message. You don't mess up in the first corner, it's just not done.

In the MotoGP of Assen, earlier this year, Alvaro Bautista missed his brake marker by a mile into the very first bend. Took out the championship leader, messed up the race for another rider. He got a penalty as well, simply for having attacked the first corner so dangerously. No corner is as crowded as the first bend of the first lap, when everyone is still close together. So that should be the time where all drivers / riders are at their most careful.

[crazuMovies]

Ok but then you've got to be consistent with your punishments. So any driver that forces another driver to brake or go onto the grass going into the first corner, no matter if a crash is caused or not, will now get a one race ban

[oplapofffe]

Ok but then you've got to be consistent with your punishments. So any driver that forces another driver to brake or go onto the grass going into the first corner, no matter if a crash is caused or not, will now get a one race ban

Yeah this is the issue I have with the ruling. Grosjean caused the crash, but it wasn't a deliberate action. He was racing and sometimes mistakes happen, I think it's simply the fact he made F1 look dangerous and Alonso was taken out that the stewards cracked down so hard on him.

Now I will change my stance if they have finally decided to stop the "chop" off the start line, and this is the example, but I doubt this is the case.

[StitsVobsaith]

hamilton to dumb to lift off for a second and throws away any points LOL

a more intelligent driver like alonso realises the race isnt won or lost in the first corner