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**Jesslovers** · 07-04-2012, 10:31 PM

Well Thomas Jefferson was a very stupid man and this was a very bad idea.

**soipguibbom** · 07-04-2012, 10:52 PM

Jefferson wasn't stupid. He was just a greedy hypocrite.

And an excellent propagandist.

**Elelaytet** · 07-04-2012, 11:20 PM

This is only a news to morons stuck thinking in terms of the old left-right dichotomy.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

**OrefZorremn** · 07-04-2012, 11:56 PM

This is only a news to morons stuck thinking in terms of the old left-right dichotomy.

Slightly uncharitable, but there is a point there. A good deal of us realized that hyper-individualism (or Super-Enlightenment) isn't what it was cracked up to be. In the striving for everyone for himself, we've lost our collective good will and charity. We think of ourselves as doing everyone only by ourselves rather than having the help of the society around us - making too many of us wanting to gut the societal underpinnings that help each and every one of us succeed.

The consequences have not been pretty.

**Rx-Ultram** · 07-05-2012, 07:07 AM

The article is self-contradictory in one respect. The author lists "ecology" - by which he means environmentalism - as one of the outcomes of the 60's. Environmentalism is hardly in line with the "every man out for himself" thesis.

**GinaIsWild** · 07-08-2012, 08:39 AM

I'm not saying environmental objectives have been achieved. Far from it obviously. But environmentalism has become a mainstream phenomenon after a big push in the 60's, as the author noted.

**ttiokjbnhjjillp** · 07-08-2012, 08:06 PM

I'm not saying environmental objectives have been achieved. Far from it obviously. But environmentalism has become a mainstream phenomenon after a big push in the 60's, as the author noted.

But as Sloww pointed out, it's mostly talk. People will buy a Prius, and then drive to buy cases of bottled water or to the air conditioned gym to run on an electric treadmill. The Selfishness exists, it's just smeared with a thin coat of Self-righteousness.

**AttableBewNaw** · 07-09-2012, 01:23 PM

I'll tell you the exact day that the 60's freedom movement died - March 29, 1975, the day that the draft was abolished.

**Lauramalina** · 07-10-2012, 02:33 PM

I'll tell you the exact day that the 60's freedom movement died - March 29, 1975, the day that the draft was abolished.

That certainly took away most of the reason for it.

07-04-2012, 10:31 PM	#1
Jesslovers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	The Downside of Liberty Well Thomas Jefferson was a very stupid man and this was a very bad idea. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-04-2012, 11:56 PM	#4
OrefZorremn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	This is only a news to morons stuck thinking in terms of the old left-right dichotomy. Slightly uncharitable, but there is a point there. A good deal of us realized that hyper-individualism (or Super-Enlightenment) isn't what it was cracked up to be. In the striving for everyone for himself, we've lost our collective good will and charity. We think of ourselves as doing everyone only by ourselves rather than having the help of the society around us - making too many of us wanting to gut the societal underpinnings that help each and every one of us succeed. The consequences have not been pretty. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-05-2012, 07:07 AM	#5
Rx-Ultram Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	The article is self-contradictory in one respect. The author lists "ecology" - by which he means environmentalism - as one of the outcomes of the 60's. Environmentalism is hardly in line with the "every man out for himself" thesis. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-08-2012, 08:39 AM	#6
GinaIsWild Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	I'm not saying environmental objectives have been achieved. Far from it obviously. But environmentalism has become a mainstream phenomenon after a big push in the 60's, as the author noted. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-08-2012, 08:06 PM	#7
ttiokjbnhjjillp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	I'm not saying environmental objectives have been achieved. Far from it obviously. But environmentalism has become a mainstream phenomenon after a big push in the 60's, as the author noted. But as Sloww pointed out, it's mostly talk. People will buy a Prius, and then drive to buy cases of bottled water or to the air conditioned gym to run on an electric treadmill. The Selfishness exists, it's just smeared with a thin coat of Self-righteousness. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2012, 01:23 PM	#8
AttableBewNaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	I'll tell you the exact day that the 60's freedom movement died - March 29, 1975, the day that the draft was abolished. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Lauramalina Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 461 Senior Member	I'll tell you the exact day that the 60's freedom movement died - March 29, 1975, the day that the draft was abolished. That certainly took away most of the reason for it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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