[MpNelQTU]

Mormonism

Jehovah's Witness

Both are Christian under any but the most restrictive of definitions.
edit: typo

[Pedsshuth]

Both are Christian under any but the most restrictive of definitions.
edit: typo

Mormonism considers us all to be embryonic Gods, and JWs do not recognize the divinity of Christ. Mormonism even has a new prophet with a new revelation.

If they're Christian, so is Islam.

[nryFBa9i]

Mormonism considers us all to be embryonic Gods, and JWs do not recognize the divinity of Christ. Mormonism even has a new prophet with a new revelation.

If they're Christian, so is Islam.

Not as certain about Mormonism, but JW belief existed in the first 300 years AD. I don't think we can say that part isn't Christian.

You can find people who believe less orthodox things in every large/mainline denomination.

JM

[poekfpojoibien]

Many in the SDA church (the majority perhaps) didn't recognize the divinity of Christ in the late 19th century (early 20th century?). I think the SDA church was always Christian, although evangelicals classified it as a cult until the 50s (by which time most SDAs recognized the divinity of Christ).

You can still find some in the SDA church that don't recognize the divinity of Christ (in actuality), but I have seen this in many mainline churches.

I think you can say that a group isn't 'evangelical' or 'orthodox' or 'pauline' before saying 'not christian'.

JM

[BrainTop]

No. There are plenty of ways to define "Christian" where Mormons and JWs are "Christian" while Islam is not.

Go for it.

[vqIo7X2U]

How did they end up in Utah? I don't remember the details but I don't think they were tolerated.

[Nutpoode]

No ****in' idiot, I was not talking about Muslims.

Besides that, not sure how you could have misconstrued my statement that I was saying Muslims lived there before Christians, considering that Christianity came before Islam.

Don't get riled by him, he's an idiot who doesn't know what he is talking about...

[MormefWrarebe]

I was not talking about Muslims. Really, because I was.

Besides that, not sure how you could have misconstrued my statement that I was saying Muslims lived there before Christians, considering that Christianity came before Islam. Which is sort of why I argued that the Christians were there first? But nah, that couldn't have been what I meant, now could it?

[psbiuigw]

No. There are plenty of ways to define "Christian" where Mormons and JWs are "Christian" while Islam is not. I want to hear this argument.

[accelieda]

Well, you did actually claim that islam was in the east roman empire before it was christian - that was kind of funny. Uh, I never did anything like that.

Everyone knows that Islam isn't polygamist, ergo Fun's comment was a non sequitor. I asked a rhetorical question.

Tell me does Danish have that concept?

[FjFHQLJQ]

AFAICT, BK's "Islam is polytheist?" question was meant to imply (in response to MrFun's post about polytheists being there before Xians) that Christianity was there before Islam and therefore gets the claim until such time as any lingering followers of Zeus step up to ask for it. I *think* that's what he meant--it's the reading I settled on after a couple of seconds of head-scratching. As usual, it's poorly phrased and not relevant. But I guess he could mean something else entirely.

[Donlupedron]

For those who lack the imagination to be able to think up definition of "Christian" that would encompass JWs and Mormons, but not Muslims... I will get you started:

1. Christians - those who identify themselves as "Christian"
2. Christians - those who belong to an organization which defines itself as "Christian"
3. Christians - those who believe Jesus was Christ, but don't believe Mohammed was God's prophet.
...

[rNr5Di3S]

4. Christians - those who identify themselves as Jews.

Don't forget to leave them out.

[Inonanialry]

5. Christians - those who follow the teachings of Christ. (Sorry to exclude you Ben.) What? Messianic Jews. I really don't see the difference between Joseph Smith and Muhammed.

[NikolaAAA]

Nice try. You can't talk yourself out of the fact that you claimed islam to predate christianity. Islam wasn't an issue when it was discussed if polytheism was a predecessor to christianism.

Clearly Danish doesn't have rhetorical questions.

You just can't stop treading the spinach, can you?

[himecthekWiff]

Honestly, BC, it seems to me that he did mean what I thought he meant. It's still bad, because he's completely ignoring the point of what MrFun said (i.e., that saying "we were there first" is pointless, since we in turn were preceded by others, preceded by others) to turn the conversation back to Islam so his point sounds somewhat less unreasonable. His rhetorical question was phrased so ambiguously that I was actually kind of surprised to guess it right, but it WAS the least nonsensical interpretation.

Also, somebody's going to grump at you for quoting him.