[dayclaccikere]

"IMHO even the things done in Abu Ghraib pale in comparison to this specially sick case."

Seriously? Do you know they did more then put people on cheerleader pyramids? You want to see the 'real nasty pics' ?

This seems like pretty normal in the field of very violent behaviour. I see this crap all the time in the papers. People beating each other with axes to the head like 10 times..

there was even the case of neonazis who tortured this retarded fellow, chained him on a hot .. the thing that warms the houses. Beat him with cables, carved with knives..

Yeah, they got like a year or two for torture .

This is surely worthy of thread and all, I'm saying this is not even ultra violence yet and this happens ALL the time. It would be shocking if this wasn't so present all the time.



What I'ms aying is that this is normal violent criminal behavior.

[truportodfa]

"But AFAIK the amount of violence didn´t reach the heights it did in this case. At least from Abu Ghraib I haven´t heard of sexual abuse and other things which resemble the things done by the prisoners in Siegburg."

You haven't? Then read the news. Just google it and exclude the clearly weird sites.

[FailiaFelay]

If prisoners have 12 hours to just do anything they want without guards ever walking the cell block to keep an eye on things then something is wrong.

[adverwork]

Another argument for death penalty, even though the argument was unintentional.

[Garry Richardson]

I'd say this is an argument for the death penality. If you're already in prison for life why not commit more crimes in prison since it can't get worse? Run your prison gang and kill people at will. What can they do? Put you in prison?

Taking away TV time just doesn't cut it while solitary confinement for the rest of their lives would be considered "cruel" (by whiny people anyway). In the US when that stuff happens then the criminals get charged with first degree murder, are likely repeat offenders, and so get the death penality. Other prisoners see that as bad as things are they at least aren't getting hanged though if they commit more crimes while in prison they just might get hanged. Thus there is a deterent effect.

Personally I'd like to see hangings happen with in 1-2 years of a guilty verdict but even if the system is inefficent it is still better then not having the death penalty.

[tq4F7YKs]

A person in prison for life without parole has absolutely nothing to lose. Name one thing more dangerous.

For this discussion, naming Ming will NOT suffice.

[FateHostera]

Sounds like a scene from Oz.

[refsherne]

The explicitly violent HBO prison drama

[nerkvcbtre]

Monkeys suicide bombing the witch?

[IACJdKfU]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
But of course, even locked up for life probably is nothing compared to the things their victim had to endure I've heard that some criminals (abusers of children) have to be protected from the wrath of other prisoners - which well might happen to them. In this case, I'm not quite sure if ten years in constant fear of torture aren't worse than a few hours of torture. (I'm happy to have no personal experience in things like that.)

[truttyMab]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Effectively, you don't. Or I'd be interested in finding out how many people are actually sentenced to life rather than just being jailed for a long time before being released. Acording to some sources the number of people was exactly 1.

Rudolf Hess, Hitlers deputy.

According to the same sources even people with particular severity of guilt get out after 20-25 years.
But the court can decide that, after getting out of prison the culprit stays in Sicherheitsverwahrung (keeping in safety) for an undefined amount of time.
This means that he still stays locked away (but has more freedom than normal prison inmates) until psychologists decide that the culprit is no danger to society anymore.

[embefuri]

Martyrdom?

Yeah, this kind of puzzled me. Was the victim killed because of his beliefs?

[Buincchotourb]

Damnit

I fell for a necro.

[interznakinfo]

This is a thread I havent seen for a very long time

And yes, he was tortured and killed just for entertainment of the other inmates, there were no religious reasons involved (and because they thought that they could fake that Hermann commited suicide, so that they could get released earlier from their prison term [because of the traumatic experience of having someone commit suicide in their cell ])

The 3 culprits btw. initially got away with mild away with mild sentences ... just 10-15 years ... but for Pascal I., the main culprit (the one who first came up with the idea of torturing and killing Hermann H., the public prosecution office went into revision and he now has to serve an additional "Sicherheitsverwahrung" in addition to his 15 years, meaning that he will stay locked away indefinitely (hopefully for life)
(the other 2 might also get "Sicherheitsverwahrung" ... but this will only be determined at the end of their regular prison sentence ... condemning someone of the age of the culprits to Sicherheitsverwahrung already at the beginning of his sentence was a novelty, which was just introduced in the trial against Pascal I. )

[chuecfafresslds]

Nope, I think I mentioned everything that was written in these links and most of the important facts that were/are to find about this case from other sources as well

[astefecyAvevy]

Sorry, but Andre Breivik pisses me off even more. Is there any chance we could move Mr. Brevik in with these guys?