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Old 09-06-2011, 10:48 PM   #1
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Default Don't Carjack in Kansas City.
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Old 09-06-2011, 11:07 PM   #2
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Is it because they drive American?
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Old 09-07-2011, 12:50 AM   #3
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It's a mighty big chasm between the US and Canada.
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Old 09-07-2011, 01:47 AM   #4
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I feel exactly the same way about Homeland Security and all that nonsense. In my experience, they're generally rude too.

Recently I've come around to the opinion that Canada seems to have more in common with some European countries than with the US. Your story strengthens that conviction.
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:08 AM   #5
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Didn't her "immediate danger" dissaper when the culprit had to cling to the car to survive
No.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:40 AM   #6
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http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/06...-building.html

Kansas City -- where the Wild West began, and never quite ended.
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Old 09-07-2011, 09:40 PM   #7
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You forget that we're not really a nation, Flubber. We're a collection of 50 states that happen to get along reasonably well, in part due to the large federal armed forces.
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Old 09-07-2011, 10:07 PM   #8
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Your dad didn't have cancer, right?
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Old 09-07-2011, 11:05 PM   #9
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My fellows from Sweden had a much harder time entering Canada for a conference than the US. I also had more questions, but was not sent off to another room for further questioning, as they all were.
Well, that's the nature of anecdotes. I've never been to Canada but I've been to the US twice.

I've also heard many bad experiences about entering the US and none about Canada. It might very well be that US is a more popular destination. I dunno. All I know is that US border was the most complicated/unfriendly to enter yet of any place I've travelled, including Iran and China.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:56 AM   #10
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Yes, I know there is an extra blue form you fill out. But is that so bad?

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Old 09-08-2011, 02:57 AM   #11
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Back on topic - OK, let's pretend I don't care if the victim executed the criminal through reckless driving. But what about other drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc? Are their rights to life and safety superceded by the danger the victim is in? Why isn't the victim at least being charged for damaging the police garage?
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Old 09-08-2011, 03:22 AM   #12
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Back on topic - OK, let's pretend I don't care if the victim executed the criminal through reckless driving. But what about other drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc? Are their rights to life and safety superceded by the danger the victim is in? Why isn't the victim at least being charged for damaging the police garage?
Because none of it would have happened without the attempted carjacking. Don't they have the concept of mens rea in Canada?
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Old 09-08-2011, 03:37 AM   #13
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Yes, from Europe there are no checks. I didn't claim there was! But if you fly into Germany from the US you go through more security than if you fly into Sweden from the US.
No, I do understand that. My question was: how? What does the "more security" consist of?

You getting waiting in line is something everyone faces at a busy airport. You don't face that as much if it wasn't busy. You getting a couple of questions is surely not a great hassle? Especially compared to having to ask for a visa/etc by mail/etc. Eh no. I've been to busy airports. Heathrow wasn't like that for instance, even when I flew in from Asia. It sucks, yes, but not because of the border checks. American international airports suck because of the checks. That's the point.

And getting a visa to China was no hassle at all. Maybe someone else had a bad experience, but then we're back to anecdotes.

And because you get it when you come to europe (from outside of europe) too. Well, I've no experience in that (as a non-European citizen) so what is it to me?

Having a rumor of some people being refused entry seems silly to base an opinion on? Not a rumor. My then girlfriend's cousin was refused entry. He says it's because he was an Iranian citizen. I don't know the real reason, if there was one. But knowing that makes the probing questioning (took about a minute per person) a worse experience.

The main issue I think that exists is that anyone who has a felony/etc isn't allowed to enter the US. Only if you tell. That seems to be the main purpose of the on-flight visa application, assuming there is one.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:15 AM   #14
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Because none of it would have happened without the attempted carjacking. Don't they have the concept of mens rea in Canada?
WE do-- she formed no intent
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:05 PM   #15
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WE do-- she formed no intent
My point about mens rea is that the actions aren't the only basis for a crime. The driver's state of mind is an important element. Without a guilty mind, there isn't a crime.
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:49 AM   #16
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No it wouldn't have. In fact, in many jurisdictions, any injuries to an innocent third party caused by a victim in a valid attempt at self-defence are the liability of the person who originally engaged in a criminal act by threatening the victim's life. In order to demonstrate liability of the victim, you would have to prove recklessness, negligence, or intent to injure the third party none of which are apparent in this case.

I have no respect for you because you're an ignorant, bloated windbag.
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Old 09-09-2011, 07:18 AM   #17
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No it wouldn't have. In fact, in many jurisdictions, any injuries to an innocent third party caused by a victim in a valid attempt at self-defence are the liability of the person who originally engaged in a criminal act by threatening the victim's life. In order to demonstrate liability of the victim, you would have to prove recklessness, negligence, or intent to injure the third party none of which are apparent in this case.

I have no respect for you because you're an ignorant, bloated windbag.
First, I've been relatively succinct. Second, I have played bagpipes, so you're close on that one. Finally, your mother dresses you funny.
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