[illiderob]

Juna, if he IS a millionare already, why would he risk losing the "faith" of his following by asking for money outright?

Sometimes when you are trying to be the leader of a social revolution, it is best to keep your money hidden from the eyes of your followers and NOT ask them for any for as long as you can.

The amount of people that he would lose for the $1 request might be more than he could buy with what he was given.

[TaxSheemaSter]

Juna, if he IS a millionare already, why would he risk losing the "faith" of his following by asking for money outright?

If my teacher is wealthy is that mean I'm not going to practice. If my teacher was poor am I going to practice because he fits my notions of how a teacher should be? Am I suppose to distinguish between a wealthy person and poor person?
As a Falun gong practitioner, I can say I never give Master li one cent. but I really get a lot from practicing.

[NerbuitW]

If you can find the source, please put it out.

If Master Li wants to be rich, he can ask every falun Gong practitioner gives him one dollar, and every practitioner is willing to give, because the practice has given the practitioners a lot, there are 100 million Falun Gong practitioners, Master Li can be a millionaire easily, but he does not ask the one dollar.

All the books of Mater. Li can be downloaded at www.Falundafa.org freely, do you think he wants to make money this way?

[suingincentix]

laji, you are going off the deep end yourself here you know.

Try not to straw man the argument and bring in a bunch of only causally related items into the argument, it will not work well.

Also, although I do not agree with Juna, please try to be a bit nicer about it, you seem to be yelling a lot...

[Anavaralo]

You missed the point entirely.
I will not believe any more in Dianetics just because someone who has been practicing it for 10 years comes up and tells me about it.

Yes you are right.

Though, I have practiced, and I know lot's of people that practice falungong,
even in china (!!!) I can assure you falungong's Qigong brings lot's of good and peace to you.

And it is true CCP is paranoid about falungong practitioners now! They even
send old grand ma's to jail for few days just to scare them!!! Anyway, it
doesn't change anything, many people still do practice falungong in China,
just they hide a bit.

But this is Mr Li's fault. Before his try to negociate power with CCP,
falungong was accepted by CCP and there was no problem.
Religion is religion. Politic is Politic.

Good points in falungong are:
1) In the line of chinese traditions, Qingong, Daoist, Buddhist
2) Goog principles Zhen Shan Ren

The points I don't like in falungong are
1) Their Guru, that I will never admire or venerate (Do you know Rael ? He
is funnier than Li hongzhi)
2) Unbelievable stories about superpowers and aliens (Falungong principles
are Zhen Shan Ren, Zhen means Truth, but the truth is out there:-) )
3) The victim's culture that has been developed (this is awful!!!)
4) Constant propaganda (hurts my head too much)
5) Political use of practitioners

Anyway one doesn't have to be falungong to obtain the good points it!
Be Taoist and read Laozi, Zhuangzi, Huainanzi ... and practice Qigong.


"Man : Do you know how I understood you only existed in my mind ? You didn't get any older for 30 years!
Monster: It only prooves I have a good facial cream"
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[casinobonusnolimit]

Juna:


Please check your private messages


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Well, Juna has left the building, and my 2 day old PM goes unread. I'll have
to do this myself.

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Juna: I have merged your last thread into this one, and renamed it News from China.

Post your news items in this thread. Any new threads will be deleted.

[sEe]

Laji, I would not go as far as you are saying, but I do agree the US is trying to form a sort of cold-war with China. Especially in light of the fact that they pose a big risk with their manufacturing and tying their currency to ours.

I do not believe either is the big evil, but I do think that both sides have done their share of bad.

To say the US is the ultimate evil is as posturing and mudslinging as saying china kills baby seals for fun. Do not try to balance the anti-china propaganda with diametrically opposed US slamming.

[VEGLAS - SPB]

CCP is the source of evil.
It created violence

May be you should look at US foreign policy.
Which I wont discuss. Only the US people believe they bring peace and
stability and properity. (which prooves that the US communication ministry
is more efficient than the chinese propaganda ministry).

As you seem to like links, here's one.
http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn/homepag...cade_Peace.htm

Your source, epochtimes, is using propaganda. eg:
"That means that we don't support unilateral moves toward independence
by Taiwan"

Which is a lie.

US keeps destabilisating the taiwan strait and pushes taiwan towards
independance (which would lead to a war).

Why have such an idea ? Let's look at recent fact.

Recently, US gave Taiwan (ROC in fact, no ?) the insurance they would
defend them, what ever would happen.

The reaction from taiwan was quite quick. Now they don't want to pay so
much for US weapons. Before, it was ok to spend so much money for
weapons because they would buy US protection in fact. Now US says they
will defend anycase ... they bargain.

US keeps selling arms to taiwan, and prevent china to buy (Ukrain and
Israel recently). But China doesnt have good conventionnal army (BTW
nuclear neither). US also sells arms to Pakistan (arf!!!), India, Japan, korea ...
Seems directed against china no ? Who is trying to destabilizate ?

They have made Japan say (Which is the first time in 50 years japan says
something about international politics) that it would help US if there was
a war about Taiwan. After what Japan has made in asia, it is quite funny
for it to take position ... no ?

US wants to deploy TMD around Taiwan. This is an arms race launching.
China has no other choice but to enhance nuclear weapons.
Also US has gone away from the ABM treaty, and the resolution against
nuclear tests.

US has re-depolyed their eastern-europe bases in the caucase, just next to
china. Except Kirkigstan which is about to kick the US army out. US is
trying to control the oil china needs to make china suffocate.

Seems US is already using against China the methods used against USSR,
containment.

So, who is threatening who ? And who is trying to destabilize and launch arms race ?

epochtimes says "It also means that we are concerned about the military balance"
So we should have balance between 20 million people province, and 1.5
billion people country ? HA HA HA! Is that a joke ?

US is destabilizating the world, (can unipolar world be balanced ?)
prentending that anyone who is strong is a menace to the stability of the
world, because US would have no other option but to make war (which isnt
stable!) to keep leadership (oh sorry, stability) ... . But who is making
wars ?

Juna. Want an advice ? Get prepared, Eat rice! (Mac Nems is ok too)

... And practice karaoke! http://fenghuang.club.fr/noparty.rm

Have fun!

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[casinobonusfrees]

This is the first time the Chinese military has said it would be the first to use nuclear weapons.

He said:
"China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the US if it is attacked
by Washington during a confrontation over Taiwan.
[...]
If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to
the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with
nuclear weapons"

Which means **IF** US attacks China, China will have no other choice but
to respond using nuclear weapons, because we don't have good enough conventional army.

So don't attack China, and China will not have to defend itself.

The more, this declaration is a reponse to US threatening China's stability,
with the last declartion of Japan saying that it would imply with US in a war
against China over the Taiwan issue.

US is obviously destabilizing the Taiwan straight (before the 2008 beijing
games it would great, wouldn't it ?), which is in contradiction with the
declaration it's made about the status-quo, the peaceful reunification,
and that Taiwan was part of China (one country, two systems).

US wants Japan in security council, though Japan hasn't recognized the
attrocities it's done (remember the 731 unit ?) in China, korea ... up
to Thailand. It made Korea and China very angry! Remember the studients
manifestations against Japan about this in Korea and China (including
Taiwan) ?

This is irresponsible attitude of US.

How can Japan deal with asian affairs legitimely when it continues not to
consider if it does (or has done) good or bad to others ?
(On the other hand, US doesn't want Germany in security council,
though it has widely recognized the bad it's done during the war! Just
because Germany was against this illegal war against Iraq)

Don't threat China, and China won't have to make you remember simple
realities.

US may have the strongest conventional and nuclear army, but there is
a little detail: US can use nuclear bombs against china, because
China's population is 1 billion and a half. US is only 300 millions!
So US has to think wisely about an attack against china just to deal with
others internal affairs, that is ingerence (which is against UNO rules about etat-nation)

Up to now, only we can see is US has attacked countries first (without
beeing attacked first, and without the consent of UNO), using lies, and used
(unjustifiedly) nuclear bombs.

China and Taiwan want peacefull reunification, and china will use force
*ONLY* if Taiwan takes unilateral independance which has widely been
explained by the chinese law voted in reponse of Chen Shuibian tries to
modify the constitution to formalize independance, though the last
referendum proved that most of us taiwanese **DONT** want
independance (or worse! just don't care). We want stability and prosperity.

Read http://www.taiwandc.org/aslaw-text.htm
for the full text of the Anti-Secession Law and explanations here
http://english.sina.com/china/1/2005/0315/24272.html and here
http://english.sina.com/p/1/2005/0307/23789.html

SO DON'T DESTABILIZATE TAIWAN STRAIGHT!!!! KEEP STATUS QUO!!!
WE DON'T WANT THE MESS!!!

You should ask yourself the consequences of Taiwan taking unilateral
independance. Does US want to balkanize China ? Take a look at Balkans.
US surely brought democracy and peace there (lol). Is that what US calls a
safer place now ? If so, we don't want this kind of safety. (BTW, why was
the chinese embassy bombed by US at this occasion ?)

Taiwan is the best motivation for CCP to make political reforms, because
we won't accept reunification until CCP's political system has made some
progress about freedoms. And HK is good witness to see if CCP respects
correctly the "one country, two systems" approach.

China won't threat anyone who hasn't threatened it before. And if you
had read Sunzi, you would understand more about this kind of declarations.

Strategy is like trade. You have to learn others culture to be able to
understand and deal correctly!

So!! This time, let's have fun with french humor. 2 at one time! How lucky
you are! :-)

"Better pump even if nothing happens than not pump and take the
risk something worse would happen!" http://fenghuang.club.fr/shadok4.gif

"If there is no solution, this is there isn't any problem" http://fenghuang.club.fr/shadok3.gif

[usadatronourl]

Chinese industrial espionage - for the benefit of American consumers. I think we should be happy - the quality of Chinese products is going to improve.

[gooseCile]

Dated 11/1/99, international section, page A41 and A46, there's an article on Li's wife owning real estate in NJ and NY totalling nearly US$1,000,000.

About the estate, I know it clearly, a rich practitioner thought that Master.Li lives in a house that near an airport, the noisy environment might bother their rest, so he wanted to send the real estate to master.Li, however he didnot contact Master Li, but his wife. At first, he was refused, but after he insisted to do this for Master Li, she accepted the present without the agreement of master Li, so the real estate was under the name of her. Later Master Li knew this, and asked his wife to send back the present, at last the real estate went back to its original owner.

However, certain reporter found her name owning the real estate before the present was sent back.
This is the fact.

[JackTimQSR]

I share you sentiment, Ninjahedge. If Juna does not want to talk to us, I am going to close the thread. Anyone interested in the topic - and there is no evidence that anyone is interested - will be able to peruse the URL of the website Juna keeps posting.

[grubnismarl]

http://www.factnet.org/cults/Falun_Gong/?FACTNet

[zdoppiklonikaa]

Wow, any blogger Juna doesn't like is now posting for the CCP. This reminds me of Chen Yonglin's "list of spies, informants, and collaborators" - show us the list Mr. Chen and Juna.

[12Cickprior]

I don't know.

yes i can see them posturing, but something about the "epoch" times that just irritates me about their writing.

I think it is the apocolyptic bent and "hell freezing over" nature of their articles that makes me reluctant to believe anything they post.

Juna, has the Epoch said ANYTHING good about the chinese government on their website?

[weightpillsnow]

Let's hope China brings us at least bipolar world, though multi polar would
be better.

I think you are ignoring CCP's evil nature.
Do you want the evil harm more people?


On the Unscrupulous Nature of the Chinese Communist PartY

The communist movement, which has made a big fanfare for over a century, has brought mankind only war, poverty, brutality, and dictatorship. With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Eastern European communist parties, this disastrous and outrageous drama finally entered its last stage by the end of the last century. No one, from the ordinary citizens to the General Secretary of the Communist Party, believes in the myth of communism anymore.
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-30/25242.html

[ycMC0PLg]

Juna, do you know Li Hongzhi owns about a million dollars in real estate? He's got a home in Queens, and also another house near Princeton. I read this on a Wall Street Journal, if you are curious I'll dig it out.

[ReneCM]

the more I'm convinced about the poster's intentions.

What is the intention?

I think my intention is to expose the evil of CCP, and let the people have a clear understanding about the situation in China.

Anout Falun Gong, some reporters have influenced by CCP's evil hatred propaganda, and interpreted Mr. Li's words not correctly, and quoted without context. the reporters mislead readers because of their own prejudice.

Falun Gong teaches people to be good person, to act according to "Truthfulness, Benevolence and Forbearance" . Therefore good for the society, and been awarded by many governments and organizations.
Thousands of the awards here:
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/speci...cognition.html

[Ephejvll]

That's called money laundering I believe.

that is only your imagination.

All of master Li's book are free to be downloaded at www.falundafa.com , remember this, this is not imagination, but the fact.

If you want to make money by your books, do you put your books online free?

[imporesweemo]

Juna does not talk much, does he/she.....