[Blellurgews]

Santa Anna.

[euylvaygdq]

There would have been no Battle of the Alamo without him.

[loolitoertego]

Texas should be given back to Mexico.

[Alupleintilla]

Aside from fur traders traveling through, Ontario was an english province Sloww.

[tinamasak]

New Mexico? Just seems suspicious, if you ask me.

[fiettariaps]

Aside from fur traders traveling through, Ontario was an english province Sloww.

I didn't say "give back", I said "give". Other than that, obviously you don't know squat about Texas history, or you'd advocate giving Texas "back" to the Comanches.

[mudozvonf]

Be sure to include that in you next application to the marines.

[ticskebasse]

Al, WTG, buddy. You're still an idiot, and on a whole new topic.

[exsmoker]

You're so stupid it hurts. The only thing that you got correct was about not being Americans. We accepted overtures from America later.

[AgJ5mNXM]

The Texans revolted because they wanted to keep their slaves. Same reason the Confederacy revolted 25 years later. Slavery.

NOT TRUE!
Santa Anna denounced the administration of Vice-President Farias, and forced him and his main supporters to flee to the United States. He formed a new Catholic, centralist, conservative government which replaced the 1824 constitution with the new constitutional document, entitled "The Seven Laws" (Constitution of 1836). Santa Anna dissolved the Congress and began the centralization of power. The regime became a centralized dictatorship backed by the military. Several states openly rebelled against the changes.
Texans first rebelled when Santa Anna in 1832 sent troops into Texas to force martial law (Only the Texans defeated Santa Anna and retained their independence).

[traiffhetl]

Before Mexico owned Texas it belonged to Spain: in 1519 - 1821. Then France: in 1685 - 1690.

You guys really should get a Texas history book. IMHO, Texas has the most interesting history of all the 57 states.

[emily]

And outlawed slavery

No still, there were no slaves because under Mexico law it was forbidden.

Sorry, your grasping for straws.

[stoneeZef]

No still, there were no slaves because under Mexico law it was forbidden.

Sorry, your grasping for straws.

Huh?

Doc, it is well-known that the Texans had slaves.

The Mexican-born settlers in Tejas were soon vastly outnumbered by people born in the United States. To address this situation, President Anastasio Bustamante implemented several measures on April 6, 1830. Chief among these was a prohibition against further immigration to Tejas from the United States, although American citizens would be allowed to settle in other parts of Mexico. Furthermore, the property tax law, intended to exempt immigrants from paying taxes for ten years, was rescinded, and tariffs were increased on goods shipped from the United States. Bustamante also ordered all Tejas settlers to comply with the federal prohibition against slavery or face military intervention.[6] These measures did not have the intended effect. Settlers simply circumvented or ignored the laws. By 1834, it was estimated that over 30,000 Anglos lived in Coahuila y Tejas,[7] compared to only 7,800 Mexican-born citizens.[8] By 1836, there were approximately 5,000 slaves in Texas.[9]

[estelle]

The Texans revolted because they wanted to keep their slaves. Same reason the Confederacy revolted 25 years later. Slavery.

I thought that was a myth. I did not believe that people actually think that the American Civil War was fought over slavery.

[katespepach]

Huh?

Doc, it is well-known that the Texans had slaves.

Although the Spanish colonists had held some slaves, they did not succeed in creating a sustainable agricultural economy in the entirety of New Spain, including Texas, Mexico, Central America, and other former Spanish territories in the American Southwest.The governors feared the growth in the Anglo-American population in Texas, and for various reasons, by the early 19th century, they and their superiors in Mexico City disapproved of expanding slavery.
In 1829 the Guerrero decree conditionally abolished slavery throughout Mexican territories. After the Texas Revolution ended, European-Americans greatly increased the enslaved population in the Republic, and later the State of Texas as they encouraged settlement and developed more acres under cultivation in cotton and other commodities.

[NEronchik]

The American Civil War (1861–1865), also known as the War Between the States (among other names), was a civil war in the United States of America. Eleven Southern slave states declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate States of America, also known as "the Confederacy". Led by Jefferson Davis, the Confederacy fought for its independence from the United States. The U.S. federal government was supported by twenty mostly Northern free states in which slavery already had been abolished, and by five slave states that became known as the border states. These twenty-five states, referred to as the Union, had a much larger base of population and industry than the South. After four years of bloody, devastating warfare (mostly within the Southern states), the Confederacy surrendered and slavery was outlawed everywhere in the nation. The restoration of the Union, and the Reconstruction Era that followed, dealt with issues that remained unresolved for generations. .

[HitAttetlyTek]

Doc, you do realize that your quote with regards to the banning of slavery in Mexico does not support your cause one bit? The Texans ignored the laws and when Santa Ana decided to be stringent in enforcing the law, the Texans immediately revolted.

Are you seriously claiming that because Mexico outlawed slavery in 1829 that the Texans did not have slaves?

My point is it was not about slavery.

[gundas]

Oh gee, Santa Ana decides to enforce the anti-slavery laws in Mexico and the Texans who own slaves just happen to immediately revolt. What a coinkydink!


The Texans could have stayed in America. They took advantage of cheap land offers by the Mexican government in exchange for the Texans following Mexican laws. The Texans broke that contract.

Again,

Santa Anna denounced the administration of Vice-President Farias, and forced him and his main supporters to flee to the United States. He formed a new Catholic, centralist, conservative government which replaced the 1824 constitution with the new constitutional document, entitled "The Seven Laws" (Constitution of 1836). Santa Anna dissolved the Congress and began the centralization of power. The regime became a centralized dictatorship backed by the military. Several states openly rebelled against the changes.
Texans first rebelled when Santa Anna in 1832 sent troops into Texas to force martial law (Only the Texans defeated Santa Anna and retained their independence).

It was a coup and the revolt of a dictator.

[AntonioMQ]

Albert, are you seriously claiming the people at the Alamo were motivated primarily by their own self interest?

[eFDMBwKH]

Their own self-interest in owning slaves, yes. Docfeelgood and Slowwhand seem to think it was about some high-fallooting freedom and liberty from Mexican repression.

You don't know anything about the battle. There was next to no chance they were going to come out alive. Yeah, people are going to take a 99% chance of dying rather than lose some slaves.