[Svatudjw]

Ezra Pound was also a fan of Byzantium.

It is your history, Western History.

The LOTR is even strong allegory on this.
No one online is even talking about this.
The Director actually makes general comments
on this in one of the bonus DVD's.



Eustace Mullins: NEW HISTORY OF THE JEWS

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1230672266

In all of recorded history, there was only one civilization which the Jews could not destroy. Because of this, they have given it the silent treatment. Few American college graduates with a Ph.D. degree could tell you what the Byzantine Empire was.

It was the Empire of East Rome, set up by Roman leaders after the Jews had destroyed Rome. This empire functioned in Constantinople for twelve hundred years, the longest duration of any empire in the history of the world.

Throughout the history of Byzantium, as it was known, by imperial edict, no Jew was allowed to hold any post in the Empire, nor was he allowed to educate the young. The Byzantine Empire finally fell to the Turks after twelve centuries of prosperity, and the Jews have attempted to wipe out all traces of its history.

Yet its edicts against the Jews were not cruel; in fact, the Jews lived unmolested and prosperously in the empire throughout its history, but here alone the vicious cycle of host and parasite did not take place.

It was a Christian civilization, and the Jews were not able to exercise any influence. Nor did the Orthodox priests bewilder their congregations with any vicious lies about Christ being a Jew.

No wonder the Jews want to eradicate the memory of such a culture.

It was Ezra Pound who launched upon a study of Byzantine civilization, and who reminded the world of this happily non-Jewish land.

From the Byzantines, Pound derived his no-violent formula for controlling the Jews.

"The answer to the Jewish problem is simple," he said.

"Keep them out of banking, out of education, out of government."

And this is how simple it is.

There is no need to kill the Jews. In fact, every pogrom in history has played into their hands, and has in many instances been cleverly instigated by them.

Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community.

Get the Jews out of education and they can not pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines.

Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.

[Svatudjw]

1453

550 years from the end of Byzantine Empire:

Remembering Constantinople / Tribute to Constantinos XI Paleologos

QUOTES, May 30th 2003

Constantine Palaiologos,
The Last Emperor of the Romans.

Various Quotes Compiled

"Western Europe has been slow to recognize its debt to Byzantium. The
emergent nations of the western Empire surpassed the Greeks in material
power and commercial enterprise from the 13th century onwards, but they did
so behind the shield of Constantinople's walls. Byzantium bore the brunt of the
Muhammadan invasions, from the Arabs to the Ottoman Turks, and served as
a breakwater which enabled the west to turn the tide. There were other
incalculable debts; the preservation of classical literature and Roman law; the
systematic study of history, the foundation of universities and the promotion of
science, the rise of monasticism and missionary activity; the evolution of
religious art and architecture which left their mark not only on Italy but in the
Norman West. In return, the West sent to Byzantium its Crusaders and
traders, between whom it is hard to distinguish for unscrupulous rapacity. It is
little wonder that many Greeks accepted the Turkish conquest not only as a
punishment for the heretical union of 1439, but as a merciful release from Latin
domination."

Modern Greece, A Short History
by C.M. Woodhouse

On 29 May 1453, the holy and imperial city of Constantinople fell to the
Ottoman Turks. For eleven centuries Constantinople had been the center of
civilization. It had been the capital of a glorious Empire and had been
established by Saint Constantine the Great for the "glory of God."
Constantinople and the Empire of New Rome nurtured the doctrines and
teachings of Christianity and preserved Classical Greek literature.

What all Christians believe today was formulated by the Greek Fathers of the
Church. Saint John Chrysostom, Basil the Great, Cyril of Alexandria, Gregory
the Theologian, and John of Damascus were among the Bishops and Saints
who upheld the correct doctrines of Christianity and repudiated heresy. The
holy fathers lived and taught not only in Constantinople, but in Cappadocia and
other cities and regions of Asia Minor such as Nicea, Ephesus, and Calcedon.
All these lands upon which Christian civilization was built, and upon which
Hellenism survived for three thousand years are permanently lost and occupied
by Muslim Turks.

Constantinople, "Queen of the Cities." once ruled by Greek Orthodox
Emperors and filled with Churches, Monasteries, and Cathedrals renowned for
their splendor is now an overpopulated Turkish City and breeding ground for
Islamic fundamentalists. On a black Tuesday five hundred and fifty years ago,
the city fell to the forces of Islam and despite the hopes and dreams of the
Greek nation, the conquest of the Turks was never reversed.

"Blocked from Europe by the impregnable walls of Constantinople and the
unyielding spirit of the Emperor and his people, the armies of the Prophet were
obliged to travel the entire length of the Mediterranean to the Straits of
Gibraltar before they could invade the continent-thus extending their lines of
communication and supply almost to breaking point and rendering impossible
any permanent conquests beyond the Pyrenees. Had they captured
Constantinople in the seventh century rather than the fifteenth, all Europe-and
America-might be Muslim today."

Byzantium, the Early Centuries
by John Julius Norwich

The Emperor Constantinos XI Palaiologos ultimately proved himself a worthy
and honorable leader. Internationally isolated and abandoned he was left with
5,000 Greek soldiers to face an Ottoman army of at least 80,000. In addition
to the Greeks, 2,000 Italian Catholics arrived to fight for Constantinople.

The Fall of Constantinople 1453
by Sir Steven Runciman

In this battle you must stand firm and have no fear, no thought of
flight, but be inspired to resist with ever more Herculean strength. Animals may
run away from animals. But you are men, men of stout heart, and you will hold
at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into them, so that
they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but against the
masters of animals.

You men of Genoa, men of courage and
famous for your infinite victories, you who have always protected this city, your
mother, in many a conflict with the Turks, show now your prowess and your
aggressive spirit toward them with manly vigor. You men of Venice, most
valiant heroes, whose swords have many a time made Turkish blood to flow

The Immortal Emperor
by Donald Nicol

"God forbid that I should live an Emperor without an Empire. As my city falls, I
will fall with it." "Whoever wished to escape, let him save himself if he can; and
whoever is ready to face death, let him follow me!"

The Crescent and the Cross
by David Dereksen

"His father Manuel II, when the Turks were at the gates of Constantinople in
1397, had uttered this prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ let it not come to pass that
the great multitude of Christian people should hear it said that it was in the days
of the Emperor Manuel that the city, with all its sacred and venerable
monuments of the faith, was delivered to the infidel. This was the ultimate
misfortune of his son Constantine Palaiologos, the Last Emperor of the
Romans. He had prayed that he might be killed rather than live to see the
consequences. He was fortunate only in that his last prayer was answered."

The Immortal Emperor
by Donald Nicol

[Svatudjw]

RELATED INFORMATION

I don't see anything wrong with wiki as source on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_the_Great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolingian_renaissance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_wars_in_Europe


BANNER OF THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, AUSTRIA,
the double headed eagle of Byzantium, taking over
after it was destroyed and occupied, the Germans
and Russians claimed it as well, history and legacy,
Serbs as well among others.

[Svatudjw]

LAST OFFICE HOLDER OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE


Patriarch Feels "Crucified" in Turkey (1/2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHiqidzKNx0


Patriarch Feels "Crucified" in Turkey (2/2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFfPkUwm5Y

[Svatudjw]

All of the above is related, not just Byzantium.

Some key names to research.

Isabella of Spain Nation builder.
Charles Martel Key victories.
Charles the Great Carolingian Renaissance.
Justinian Roman Law Code
Constantine Unifier Builder Savior of Rome/West
Sobieski at Vienna Christian Unification Example

All of the above are highly Christian, people and Empire.

No one ever said that Western history is pretty, Western does
not equal good and pretty and always right, we are here from
a progression spanning millenium, 2 steps forward one step back.

" war on Rome " Zohar, you are all Rome.


Key Research Project

Charles the Great Carolingian Renaissance.

[Svatudjw]

JUSTINIAN

I researched what Eustace Mullins was saying on my own,
Justinian's name comes up.

Who was Justinian, Byzantine historians, " Justinian wanted to make the
empire more Christian so he excluded Jews ", that is how they spin it.
Justinian did a lot of significant things pro Western despite being brutal.
He is famous for codifying and saving the Roman Law Code,
a basis for our own, and building and engineering marvel Cathedral, Aghia Sophia.

Fact is Jews were never accepted, not even to this day, running into
Justinians name, all the Emperors were like that, do people today trust
foreigners to secure the West, these Empires were under constant
attack. According to Jews it was racism.

NOT GREEKS
Justinian is not Greek, neither is Constantine.
Through merit you could become Emperor,
answering to the Oligarchy, Church, Merchants and Military class.
Constantine most likely was German, like Charles Martel,
Charles the Great. Justinian may have been German
or from the North somewhere. Constantine ensured
continuity as a General from Western Europe, establishing
Byzantium. The Western half went dark ages till Charles
the Great.

[Svatudjw]

" You will hold at bay these dumb brutes, thrusting your spears and swords into
them, so that they will know that they are fighting not against their own kind but
against the masters of animals. "

Constantinos Palaiologos

[Svatudjw]

" CITY OF GOLD "

" JEWEL OF EUROPE "

Byzantium The Lost Empire - 1: Building the Dream Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2brn8FoZcHs


The host of this series did an incredible hard to find
series on the Hellenistic Kingdoms, I forgot the exact
title which may be one reason I can't find it,
Great Wonders of the Ancient World. ?

[Svatudjw]

This thread is about " jew whores " and I will update it later.


Christians are Jew Whores

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Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community.

Get the Jews out of education and they can not pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines.

Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.


So important is this that is bears repeating

[tweriaroats]

NEW HISTORY OF THE JEWS

as opposed to

Jew History of the News !?

[Flefebleaft]

Byzantium was already a Spartan (GREEK) stronghold of Asia minor since before 400BC when Xenophon led "The 10,000" mercenaries hired by Cyrus to fight for the Persian throne of Artaxerxes.

[rozettasmolanov]

http://wsu.edu/~dee/MA/BYZ.HTM

It is not possible to effectually distinguish between the later empire in Rome and the Byzantine empire centered around Constantinople. For the Byzantines were the Roman Empire, not simply a continuation of it in the East. The capital city, Constantinople, had been founded as the capital of Rome by the Emperor Constantine, but a uniquely Greek or Byzantine character to the Roman Empire can be distinguished as early as Diocletian. When Rome was seized by Goths, this was a great blow to the Roman Empire, but it didn't effectively end it. Although Rome was under the control of foreigners who themselves claimed to be continuing the empire, the Byzantine empire continued as before, believing themselves to be the Roman Empire.

Over the centuries, however, Byzantium evolved into a very different civilization. The eastern Empire had always had a predominately Greek character, but the Byzantines through the course of the first millenium AD had to deal with cultural influences and political threats from European cultures, Asian cultures and, primarily, Islam after the seventh century.

Through the later Middle Ages, however, Byzantium both gradually declined politically and became more isolated from the rest of Europe. While the last centuries of the European Middle Ages saw the consolidation of the idea of Europe and the incorporation of European cultures into a larger, overarching European monoculture, Byzantium was left out of this new European concept. By the beginning of the modern period, when "Europe" had become a solid, cultural idea, Byzantine had come to an end with the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople.

Byzantine history, then, stretches in a continuous line from the latter centuries of Rome to the very beginning of the modern period. It transmited the classical culture of Greece and Rome but it also developed a unique historical and cultural character based on a synthesis of Greek, Roman, European, and Islamic elements.

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Mullins knows that the Jews control the creation of money. They did not control the creation of money in Byzantium. So, this strategy may have worked for the Byzantine emperors in keeping their empire going until 1453. But it cannot work in any country that has given the monopoly for creating money to the Jews,such as the United States of America. JFK is an example of what happens to anyone who tries to take that monopoly away from them.

All the various European countries have restricted the professions Jews can engage in. Some have even made the Jews wear identifying badges on their clothing, such as yellow stars. But all the European leaders needed the Jews in one way or another --mostly because the Jews would lend them money (as they do today). The problem the Europeans had with the Jews relates to the Talmud, and what it says to the Jews about how to treat gentiles. Also what it says about Jesus Christ.

The emperor Hadrian who lived around 130 AD, tried to prohibit the Jews from teaching the Talmud to younger Jews. He understood that the source of his problems with the Jews was the Talmud. In the middle ages, the kings or local rulers would conduct a public burning of the Talmud when they got fed up with the behavior of Jews. On occasions this ritual was followed by angry mobs destroying Jewish property and beating up Jews. The rulers often expelled the Jews, but they came back every time.

I have a theory about the Jews and the Talmud. You need to be familiar with the concept of an 'egregore' which is a 'collective group mind'. The Talmud is a collection of writings that are 'group values' that define what Judaism is. To be Jews, Jews have to accept the Talmudic teachings which they get from their rabbis, and those Talmudic teachings of the rabbis is the egregore. The Rabbis keep the group together by scaring them with 'anti-semitism' while at the same time teaching them to be 'anti-gentile'. The Talmud is what has held the Jews together when they were exiled from Israel to Babylon, and it holds them all together to this very day.

It's the Talmud and the rabbis that make Jews what they are. You can get a good sense of that from this article:

http://www.rense.com/general75/godthat.htm

It says that the Jews created a god that will serve them. Now, did the Jews do that, or was it their rabbis who did that? It was the Pharisees who did that, and they morphed into the Talmudic rabbis. These are the people whom Jesus Christ had no end of scorn for.

There is an excellent book by Elizabeth Dilling called The Jewish Religion, Its Influence Today which you can read online here:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html

Here is an excerpt from the very first paragraph of the book:

Bible scholars are aware that Jesus Christ denounced the Pharisees. He said they nullified all the Commandments of God by their Tradition, "teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Mark 7:13; Matt. 15:6-9, etc.). His invective, in truth, cannot be equalled. All of Matthew 23 is like a whiplash. He likened Pharisaism to a whited sepulchre, indeed beautiful outwardly, but "inside full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness." Christ climaxed one condemnation after another with the expletive, "Hypocrites!" He called the Pharisees children of them that killed the Prophets. He foretold they would go on killing, crucifying and persecuting until the guilt for all the righteous blood shed from Abel on down would be upon them. "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" Christ asked. Christianity initially was a rejection of Pharisaism, aka Talmudism. The Pharisees are still rejecting Christianity, and when the Christians try to defend themselves, the Pharisees call them anti-semites.

I think we can all get a good handle on the History of the Jews by reading Dilling's book at the link above.

Hatha

[FEti0TUI]

5 star thread guys. Thanks for the posts

[Svatudjw]

Hatha, that is an excellent contribution.

I want to add something about Byzantium and money creation.

They had real money, gold, I don't remember the details but
because Byzantium was under constant attack and looting,
cities destroyed, erosion of various kinds, armies and men
shrinking, they were forced to devalue their currency in the
end somehow doing that, I don't remember the details,
they were in trouble, and this devaluing of their currency
hastened their destruction. This is from a University level
course I was doing in podcast, a few of them actually.

[Svatudjw]

@ RJB, this thread is for you, you asked for material and books.

Update,

I just bought a book for myself, an overview type of book,
didn't cost much, don't know how good it will be. I like
readers like this, they act as an overview, some are good
some are not, how much complicated history can you get
into 200-300 pages, this is why they are good. It is also
interesting to see how different authors cover the subjects.

LOST TO THE WEST
The Forgotten Byzantine Empire That Rescued Western Civilization
Lars Brownworth 300 pages
http://www.amazon.com/Lost-West-Forg...3980752&sr=8-1

The MSM press and contemporaries seem to like this.
So this will be a study of many things, don't hold your breath for non PC nuggets,
and I expect they will take their shots too.

Interestingly the Jew Occult hates Constantine, skyvike would always badmouth him.
Why does this matter here for me to mention it, his stupid comments going back years
made me question him and gim, and here we are, I never understood back then .

We are all sons and daughters of Constantine, he took the bait in my email exchange to him.

I signed it , Son of Apollo and Constantine.

I knew he would not be able to resist a jab.
Not knowing how ignorant he is he took the bait.
At the time of this email exchange on the History
channel, run by the usual suspects, Frankfurt
schoolers, " Constantine was one of the greatest
Western Leaders that ever existed. " Even they
cannot deny that.

We would not be here if they were not successful.

As far as Eustace Mullins, above I highlighted Justinian,
what he says is true, and yet still on this forum people deny it.

From Publishers Weekly
The once common idea that the lights went out on classical and Western civilization when Rome fell in 476 C.E. has long since been debunked, but Brownsworth weighs in to illustrate that the Roman Empire's center of power simply shifted to Constantinople. In a narrative by turns spellbinding and prosaic, Brownsworth marches us through centuries of history, beginning long before the fall of Rome, and introduces the successive rulers of Byzantium, from Christian emperors to Muslim sultans, detailing a culture he describes as both familiar and exotic. He follows religious, political and cultural change up through the Islamic conquest of 1453. Christian refugees fled Byzantium into Europe, taking with them their longstanding love of ancient culture and introducing Western Europe to Plato, Demosthenes, Xenophon, Aeschylus and Homer, fanning the flames of the renaissance of Hellenistic culture that had already begun in various parts of Europe. Although Brownsworth admirably illustrates the ways that the Byzantine Empire lives on even today, Judith Herrin's Byzantium: The Surprising Life of a Medieval Empire offers a more compelling and thorough history of this empire. Maps. (Sept.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
Review

“Captivating…In Lost to the West Lars Brownworth shows a novelist’s eye for character, bringing to life some of the most fascinating — and yet little known -- figures of the Byzantine era. But it is as a researcher into the obscurities of palace intrigue, treachery, and battlefield carnage that Lars really shines. With dry humor and a palette of vivid images, he recounts the dizzying game of musical chairs that placed one usurper after another on the Byzantine throne, only to be pitched off in a gaudily macabre way. In the end, one is left agog by the irony that the upshot of this centuries-long scrum was the preservation of nearly all that the Greeks have bequeathed to us.”
—Steven Pressfield, author of Gates of Fire

“Rome never fell -- it simply moved five hundred miles East -- to Byzantium. For over a thousand years the Byzantines commanded one of the most visceral and vivid empires the world has ever known. And yet their achievements are consistently underplayed; written out of history. Lars Brownworth is a rare talent. His contagious passion brings murderous empresses, conniving eunuchs, lost Greek texts and Byzantine treasures of fairy-tale proportions blinking back into the light. Confidently striding through time and across the mountains and plains of the Eastern Mediterranean, Brownworth puts this theocratic superstate slap-bang in the center of mankind's global story; back where it should be. The Byzantines made our world what it is today. Lars Brownworth matches their verve and brio in his seductive and gripping account.”
—Bettany Hughes, PBS host and author of Helen of Troy


A Knowledgeable Readers Comment.

The Roman Empire fell on Tuesday, May 29, 1453, when Mehmed II sacked Constantinople, and Constantine XI Dragases stripped off his imperial battle gear and died alone and unrecognized. If you dated the fall to September 5, 476, when Romulus Augustulus surrendered his crown and scepter to the Vandal Odoacer, you would be half right. That is indeed when the western half of the empire fell, setting off the so-called "Dark Ages" in earnest. But the eastern half lived on for another 1000 years, waxing and waning in influence from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and from the Balkans to the Nile. It was finally eclipsed by the triumph of the Ottomans, never to rise again.

Lars Brownworth is not a professional historian, but he is a fantastic history-teller. "Lost to the West" is a portrait of the history of the eastern half of the empire from its founding by Constantine the Great to its demise under his namesake. The major "great men" (and women) as well as big events find a place in his fast-moving narrative: Constantine, Justinian, Belisarius, the Council of Nicea, the erection of Hagia Sophia, the Great Schism, and the centuries long battle with Islam.

Professional historians will probably find something to quibble with here and there. But if you know nothing about Byzantium (as the eastern empire came to be known), then Brownworth is the place to start. He includes a list of primary and secondary sources at the end of the book, as well as a chronological list of eastern emperors.

Highly recommended.

[caseferter]

"We did not learn from the past so that now we will pay in the future"... Ponce

[tweriaroats]

All of the above is related, not just Byzantium.

Some key names to research.

Isabella of Spain Nation builder.

didn't Queen Isabella kick the Jews out of Spain ?

[caseferter]

Yes Gun, they were (or are) called the Maranos........they were part of a tribe or of the "real" Jews.