[Heclailia]

Most over-hyped course I ever played: Oakland Hills. I played it about four weeks before the Ryder and thought it was a joke. No amazing scenery, no insane challenges. Just a flat, boring course with too few mature trees. Of course, they let the rough grow and hardened the greens before the real golfers showed up, but that didn't chnage the fact it is flat and boring.

I completely disagree, and how can you say it's not hilly? 17 is a dead nuts uphill par three that required a 200+ carry shot...how about 11 that goes down to a valley and requires a 130 yard straight uphill shot? How about 6 that plays straight up hill?

Not sure where this comes from...and insane challenges on the course? Did you pay attention to the greens, e.g. the ones with a drain in them because they were so big? How about the big ass traps?

Now the scenery I'll give you, no doubt there...too "few" trees? ok....

keep in mind, this is NOT an up north course


I came here because I remembered about my Ireland trip from the caddy discussion, everyone of those courses blows every us course i've played away