[7HlBQS8j]

A repeatable swing is the bench mark for all lower handicap golfers. With a repeatable swing you know where the ball is going, and how far it is going. With a repeatable swing, using non fitted clubs, the ball may go left, right, or center most of the time, based on what the club is doing through out the swing. It is my belief that the same thing can happen with fitted clubs, but not having a repeatable swing. The club fitter says you need this or that based on a few swings, but with out a repeatable swing, the club fitter won't be able to narrow down the actual specs needed for a golfer. Ball flight might be more consistent, only when the golfer swings like the swing used while being fitted.

My swing has changed over the years from a stiff flex, standard lie, to a regular flex, and 2* up right lie. I don't hit the ball as far as I use to, but I still have a "some what" repeatable swing, which gives me a "some what" repeatable ball flight. The only time my ball flight changes is when my swing (rhythm) tempo, timing, set up and/or ball position changes from my repeatable norm. Since I do not play, or practice everyday, I do not have a 100% "repeatable " swing every time I make a full swing. I'd be happy having a "repeatable" swing 40% of the time.

Everybody's swing changes over the years.But, do they check their clubs to see if they still fit them? NO.

Lower handicap players play with fitted clubs to take advantage of all this new technology.Why?Cause they want every edge to stay competitive.It helps us the least,but we do it for consistency

Why don't most gofers do the same for their game? One,they just don't understand what it can do for them.
Two, they rather spend the money elsewhere,like more Beer.

three, they believe like you and JP and Fourputt ,that club fittings are for the lower cap players.When they are for everybody and helps the higher cap guys the most.. Maybe you guys need to go visit a clubmaker and talk directly to them.You will learn a ton and then wonder why you never did it sooner/

[excivaamome]

Getting fitted is designed to help make every single club feel the exact same.This gives the golfer confidence to make good swings/shots

And so does swingweighting, which is a helluva lot less expensive or involved as fitting.

Being fitted helps reduce the margin of errant shots.

No it doesn't. Practice does that.

When I was playing to a 2 handicap, I was using a late 80's vintage TaylorMade metal driver and 3-wood, a set of MacGregor blades and an "off the rack" T.P.Mills putter. The only thing I was ever "fitted" for was clublength and lie angle. I myself decided on swingweight (which back then I set to D-7 with a little time, some lead tape and an "economy" swingweight scale from Golfworks) and I changed to X-100 shafts because I reasoned that the S-300's I was using were causing an annoying fade because the first-step dimension was too far away from the hosel leaving the clubface open at impact (I was right).


That was the extent of my "fitting".

So how did I get to a 2 handicap?

Practice,
Practice,
Practice.

I'm not saying that fitting won't benefit someone by being able to draw the last ounce of performance from their equipment, but anything beyond the basics of lie, length and shaft flex will not make anyone play better.

Only practice can do that.


-JP

[Jwskwhdo]

And so does swingweighting, which is a helluva lot less expensive or involved as fitting.

No it doesn't. Practice does that.

When I was playing to a 2 handicap, I was using a late 80's vintage TaylorMade metal driver and 3-wood, a set of MacGregor blades and an "off the rack" T.P.Mills putter. The only thing I was ever "fitted" for was clublength and lie angle. I myself decided on swingweight (which back then I set to D-7 with a little time, some lead tape and an "economy" swingweight scale from Golfworks) and I changed to X-100 shafts because I reasoned that the S-300's I was using were causing an annoying fade because the first-step dimension was too far away from the hosel leaving the clubface open at impact (I was right).


That was the extent of my "fitting".

So how did I get to a 2 handicap?

Practice,
Practice,
Practice.


-JP

Actually both do that. But let me see if I understand this right. You are arguing something that you have never done and never experienced and obviously know very little about?

[7HlBQS8j]

And so does swingweighting, which is a helluva lot less expensive or involved as fitting.



No it doesn't. Practice does that.

When I was playing to a 2 handicap, I was using a late 80's vintage TaylorMade metal driver and 3-wood, a set of MacGregor blades and an "off the rack" T.P.Mills putter. The only thing I was ever "fitted" for was clublength and lie angle. I myself decided on swingweight (which back then I set to D-7 with a little time, some lead tape and an "economy" swingweight scale from Golfworks) and I changed to X-100 shafts because I reasoned that the S-300's I was using were causing an annoying fade because the first-step dimension was too far away from the hosel leaving the clubface open at impact (I was right).


That was the extent of my "fitting".

So how did I get to a 2 handicap?

Practice,
Practice,
Practice.

I'm not saying that fitting won't benefit someone by being able to draw the last ounce of performance from their equipment, but anything beyond the basics of lie, length and shaft flex will not make anyone play better.

Only practice can do that.


-JP

Clueless,clueless. Am I saying getting fitted will get a golfer to get them to a 2 handicap?NO

Fitted clubs will and should take a 12 cap to a 9,the rest is on his training.



How much is the basic fitting vs a full on fitting in your area.In my shop it's the same price.So, why wouldn't a golfer take advantage of getting something for less money?

You can go to Golfsmith or golf Galaxy and pay them their fitting fee of $49 for irons.Which I feel is worthless.That's just your basic Length and stuff.

[rockboyzaza]

I was sharing a bag of popcorn with CM while reading and have a question....
What do you think of the 1IronGolf concept??
Same length irons for everything???
It takes out a variable for the recreational golfer...
I realize the distances would be based solely on the loft....

Just wondering your opinions how that would play into this fitting converation??

[excivaamome]

Actually both do that. But let me see if I understand this right. You are arguing something that you have never done and never experienced and obviously know very little about?

Not at all.

I'm simply saying that detailed fitting of equipment is only going to optimize what a person can already do and that they can only learn to that through practice. Detailed fitting isn't going to make someone play better.

In my opinion, basic fitting is all 95% of the golfers in this world will ever need to play this game at a competent or even at an advanced level. Detailed fitting will only benefit someone who can already produce solid results from a given piece of equipment and simply wants to wring out the last bit of performance from that equipment.

But the idea that someone who is currently having trouble hitting greens from 150 yards out is somehow going to start knocking down flagsticks because they spent some time in a launch monitor and were then sold a bunch of new equipment is ridiculous. It may make them THINK they can, which in and of itself is fine. But that would be more psychological than tangible.


-JP

[7HlBQS8j]

Actually both do that. But let me see if I understand this right. You are arguing something that you have never done and never experienced and obviously know very little about?

Besides that.Where am I or any club maker/fitter say "Hey, get fitted and we can get you to a 2 handicap"

He practiced and honed his skills to become good.Plus he already had the talent. Maybe he would have played better had he been properly fitted.
From the sounds of things he is much older then us and fittings back then were very basic.
It isn't untill the last 10 years that their has been a break through in fittings and fully understanding shafts and stuff.

I'm sorry not just anyone will ever play scratch or close unless you have raw talent.

[7HlBQS8j]

Not at all.

I'm simply saying that detailed fitting of equipment is only going to optimize what a person can already do and that they can only learn to that through practice. Detailed fitting isn't going to make someone play better.

In my opinion, basic fitting is all 95% of the golfers in this world will ever need to play this game at a competent or even at an advanced level. Detailed fitting will only benefit someone who can already produce solid results from a given piece of equipment and simply wants to wring out the last bit of performance from that equipment.

But the idea that someone who is currently having trouble hitting greens from 150 yards out is somehow going to start knocking down flagsticks because they spent some time in a launch monitor and were then sold a bunch of new equipment is ridiculous. It may make them THINK they can, which in and of itself is fine. But that would be more psychological than tangible.


-JP

You must be the only one with this thinking. I've never heard a golfer think that just cause he is getting fitted will be knocking pins down.

Getting fitted helps a player swing more consistent.

[excivaamome]

Fitted clubs will and should take a 12 cap to a 9,

OK.

I'd love to hear how that works.


-JP

[excivaamome]

Getting fitted helps a player swing more consistent.

No, once again: practice does that.


-JP