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SHpuntik 09-28-2012 09:11 PM

New website on Maududi sahab's (and Jamaat-e-Islami's) errors and deviations
 
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Found this interesting New website on Maududi sahab's (and Jamaat-e-Islami's) errors and deviations based on Ulema's writings.
http://maududiexamined.wordpress.com/

SHpuntik 09-29-2012 03:15 PM

http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/salam.gif
Any reviews for the site?

Toscoropreark 09-29-2012 11:22 PM

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Found this interesting New website on Maududi sahab's (and Jamaat-e-Islami's) errors and deviations based on Ulema's writings.
http://maududiexamined.wordpress.com/
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http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/jazak.gif

will go through it inshalllah

SHpuntik 09-30-2012 01:42 PM

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Rchzygnc 09-30-2012 07:10 PM

Another calamity which has engulfed the Muslim Ummah is the calamity of needless "refutations". One can find a refutation of almost any scholar of the recent past. This negative mindset is so prevalent that it leaves the ordinary Muslim in a confused state that "Is anyone on Haq or everyone is a deviant". Maulana Maududi rahimahullah did alot of services for Islam. He came in an age when modernism and secularism were becoming prevalent. He refuted the modernists and the Hadith rejectors of his time. He tried to work for , as every practical Muslims should do , the establishment of Islamic system. He actively worked against the Qadyanis and was sentenced to death during Ayub khan's tenure. To me he is far better than those who have castigated him.

tramadolwithall 09-30-2012 07:25 PM

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Another calamity which has engulfed the Muslim Ummah is the calamity of needless "refutations". One can find a refutation of almost any scholar of the recent past. This negative mindset is so prevalent that it leaves the ordinary Muslim in a confused state that "Is anyone on Haq or everyone is a deviant". Maulana Maududi rahimahullah did alot of services for Islam. He came in an age when modernism and secularism were becoming prevalent. He refuted the modernists and the Hadith rejectors of his time. He tried to work for , as every practical Muslims should do , the establishment of Islamic system. He actively worked against the Qadyanis and was sentenced to death during Ayub khan's tenure. To me he is far better than those who have castigated him.
Good for you if he is better than those who castigated him. And http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/mash.gif you seem to have no problems with his unislamic attitude to the Sahabah and Anbiya.

Can you please elaborate on his efforts to establish an Islamic system. His 'concept' of Islamic State is astoundingly similar to a Communist/Socialist system albeit with an Islamic topping.

InsManKV 09-30-2012 07:29 PM

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Another calamity which has engulfed the Muslim Ummah is the calamity of needless "refutations". One can find a refutation of almost any scholar of the recent past. This negative mindset is so prevalent that it leaves the ordinary Muslim in a confused state that "Is anyone on Haq or everyone is a deviant". Maulana Maududi rahimahullah did alot of services for Islam. He came in an age when modernism and secularism were becoming prevalent. He refuted the modernists and the Hadith rejectors of his time. He tried to work for , as every practical Muslims should do , the establishment of Islamic system. He actively worked against the Qadyanis and was sentenced to death during Ayub khan's tenure. To me he is far better than those who have castigated him.
I am in complete agreement with you.Ml Moududi ra might not be perfect,but his services to Islam are far more than his mistakes.
It is always better to see some good in a person....even if He does not belong to one,s own 'group'.

Rchzygnc 09-30-2012 07:50 PM

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Good for you if he is better than those who castigated him. And http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/mash.gif you seem to have no problems with his unislamic attitude to the Sahabah and Anbiya.

Can you please elaborate on his efforts to establish an Islamic system. His 'concept' of Islamic State is astoundingly similar to a Communist/Socialist system albeit with an Islamic topping.
I never said that Maulana Maududi ra is free of error or infallible. All i said is that he made some great efforts towards establishing the deen and his mistakes don't take him out of the fold of Islam so why not highlight his good instead of highlighting his errors? Similar errors can be found in almost any scholar. Everyone has his own Tafarudaat. I wonder how people come with "Lets make excuse for the scholar" if he belongs to their sect and unleash their swords on the scholars who don't submit to their sectarian mindset.

THOUTHCAW 09-30-2012 08:06 PM

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I never said that Maulana Maududi ra is free of error or infallible. All i said is that he made some great efforts towards establishing the deen and his mistakes don't take him out of the fold of Islam so why not highlight his good instead of highlighting his errors? Similar errors can be found in almost any scholar. Everyone has his own Tafarudaat. I wonder how people come with "Lets make excuse for the scholar" if he belongs to their sect and unleash their swords on the scholars who don't submit to their sectarian mindset.
looks like a logical approach to me !

tramadolwithall 09-30-2012 08:11 PM

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I never said that Maulana Maududi ra is free of error or infallible. All i said is that he made some great efforts towards establishing the deen and his mistakes don't take him out of the fold of Islam so why not highlight his good instead of highlighting his errors?
It is always good to have a balanced view. Care to populate this thread by highlighting his good so that people give due recognition to Maulana Maududis such contributions.


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Similar errors can be found in almost any scholar. Everyone has his own Tafarudaat. I wonder how people come with "Lets make excuse for the scholar" if he belongs to their sect and unleash their swords on the scholars who don't submit to their sectarian mindset.
Please don't take us on a guilt trip!

SHpuntik 10-01-2012 01:08 AM

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I never said that Maulana Maududi ra is free of error or infallible. All i said is that he made some great efforts towards establishing the deen and his mistakes don't take him out of the fold of Islam so why not highlight his good instead of highlighting his errors? Similar errors can be found in almost any scholar. Everyone has his own Tafarudaat. I wonder how people come with "Lets make excuse for the scholar" if he belongs to their sect and unleash their swords on the scholars who don't submit to their sectarian mindset.
Taken from the same website explaining why it was launched: http://maududiexamined.wordpress.com/about/

His works:

Maududi wrote over 120 books and pamphlets in urdu some of which were translated to other languages also, including English.

His writings caused much controversy, mainly his books ‘khilafat wa Mulukiyath’, ‘Quran ki chaar buniyadi istelahein’, ‘Tajdeed o ihya e deen’,etc. and his commentary on the Quran ‘Tafheem ul Quran’ . Many prominent Ulema of all Muslim schools of thoughts wrote rebuttals and critiques on his errors and deviations but, unfortunately, he and his party did not heed the advices and continue to publicise these controversial books and pamphlets even today, some with slight editing. These are also spread online in English and Urdu, and so a need was felt for refuting them online with English content based on the Ulema’s original works.

There is a brief review of Maududi’s life and works, by the late Muhaddith of Pakistan: Shaykh Muhammad Yusuf Banuri, ['The Maududi Calamity'] in the following words :

“I admired many things about Maududi Saheb and detested many. For a long time I did not wish to degrade him. I felt that from his innovated style of presentation the modern generation could benefit. Although at times such compositions appeared from him that it was not possible to endure it, but taking into consideration the Deeni (religious) well being, I tolerated and kept silent. I did not foresee that this fitnah (mischief) would spread worldwide and have a detrimental effect on the Arab world; that every day from his master pen new buds would keep on blossoming, and indecent words would be used regarding the Sahabah kiraam Ridhwanullahi Alayhim and the Anbiyya (Prophets) Alayhimus Salaam. Later on, such things appeared commonly in the Tafhimul Quraan.
Now it has become known without doubt that his writings and publications are the greatest fitnah of the present time, notwithstanding a few beneficial treatises that have appeared. It is the case of, ‘and the sin of them is greater than their usefulness.’[Surah al-Baqara: 219] Now that stage has been reached where to keep silent seems to be a great crime. It is regretted that for forty years an offensive silence was kept. Now the time has dawned, where without fear of rebuttal and censure all his writings from A to Z should be thoroughly studied with a view to fulfill the demands for the preservation of the Deen with Haqq (truth) and justice.”

May Allah accept this small effort and protect the Ummah from misguidance. Aameen.

duceswild 10-01-2012 01:59 AM

Nice blog. Some fundamental blunders of political islam advocates are on it. I liked this one:
To portray Islaam as a political movement and assign the prophets as the leaders of this movement defaces the entire soul of Deen. Consider the Hadith of Nabi (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) which every person knows that states Islaam is based on five principles; Kalimah Shahaadat, establishment of Salaat, paying of Zakaat, perform Hajj, fasting in Ramadhaan.

These are the five fundamentals of Deen upon which the whole system of Deen functions, such that even if Jihad is undertaken it is for the establishment of these five pillars, Hijrah is for their sake and politics also is only for these five fundamentals. All the remaining actions of Deen emanate from these five. Thus these five pillars are so honoured that no other deed can match them in status, but according to Maududi the fundamental principle of Deen is an Islaamic state, and the whole system of Deen, — beliefs, worship, character, social relations, dealings andeven these five pillars rotate around this principle.*In short, Deen is a revealed political movement and all other aspects are a means of training. http://maududiexamined.wordpress.com...badat-worship/

Rchzygnc 10-01-2012 02:21 AM

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Nice blog. Some fundamental blunders of political islam advocates are on it. I liked this one:
Habashis like you are against any effort that will establish Islam , let that be a political effort or a Jihaadi effort. No news.

xFZ3k8Mw 10-01-2012 02:25 AM

traditional scholars have refuted maududi RA and salafis refuting Sayyid Qutb RA for some of their statements though they still respected them for their revolutionary spirit in reaching out to the left and reviving islam in many ways and countries.

Rchzygnc 10-01-2012 02:26 AM

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Taken from the same website explaining why it was launched: http://maududiexamined.wordpress.com/about/

His works:

Maududi wrote over 120 books and pamphlets in urdu some of which were translated to other languages also, including English.

His writings caused much controversy, mainly his books ‘khilafat wa Mulukiyath’, ‘Quran ki chaar buniyadi istelahein’, ‘Tajdeed o ihya e deen’,etc. and his commentary on the Quran ‘Tafheem ul Quran’ . Many prominent Ulema of all Muslim schools of thoughts wrote rebuttals and critiques on his errors and deviations but, unfortunately, he and his party did not heed the advices and continue to publicise these controversial books and pamphlets even today, some with slight editing. These are also spread online in English and Urdu, and so a need was felt for refuting them online with English content based on the Ulema’s original works.

There is a brief review of Maududi’s life and works, by the late Muhaddith of Pakistan: Shaykh Muhammad Yusuf Banuri, ['The Maududi Calamity'] in the following words :

“I admired many things about Maududi Saheb and detested many. For a long time I did not wish to degrade him. I felt that from his innovated style of presentation the modern generation could benefit. Although at times such compositions appeared from him that it was not possible to endure it, but taking into consideration the Deeni (religious) well being, I tolerated and kept silent. I did not foresee that this fitnah (mischief) would spread worldwide and have a detrimental effect on the Arab world; that every day from his master pen new buds would keep on blossoming, and indecent words would be used regarding the Sahabah kiraam Ridhwanullahi Alayhim and the Anbiyya (Prophets) Alayhimus Salaam. Later on, such things appeared commonly in the Tafhimul Quraan.
Now it has become known without doubt that his writings and publications are the greatest fitnah of the present time, notwithstanding a few beneficial treatises that have appeared. It is the case of, ‘and the sin of them is greater than their usefulness.’[Surah al-Baqara: 219] Now that stage has been reached where to keep silent seems to be a great crime. It is regretted that for forty years an offensive silence was kept. Now the time has dawned, where without fear of rebuttal and censure all his writings from A to Z should be thoroughly studied with a view to fulfill the demands for the preservation of the Deen with Haqq (truth) and justice.”

May Allah accept this small effort and protect the Ummah from misguidance. Aameen.
There is nothing new in that. Almost every student of Islam knows that what errors are there in Khilaafat wa malookiat. Those who know avoid it and those who don't know will not know it through that blog as well. The mischief did not spread at all. All of such views were Maulana Maududi ra's personal views and the Jamaat remained unaffected. "Refutations" like these serve no other purpose than insinuating an old grudge based on personal likes and dislikes.

duceswild 10-01-2012 10:02 AM

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Habashis like you are against any effort that will establish Islam , let that be a political effort or a Jihaadi effort. No news.
You talk about being sectarian and the first word you got is "habashis". How consistent Mr. Holier than thou.

To you its a little issue because Maududis are one of the by products of Salafism. But if you look at the over all fitnah the political islam have done to muslim world then you wouldn't talk about being silent. Their takfiri puritan pseudo islam, stupid notions that diverts energy to complete non-issues and creates delusions, their villification of traditional islam and their part in destroying it, their fake jihad, and populist rhetoric of demagogues will achieve nothing just like they have achieved nothing until now except fitnah. Islam will not be established under their hands or by hands of any such heretical innovated islam.

tramadolwithall 10-01-2012 11:52 AM

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There is nothing new in that. Almost every student of Islam knows that what errors are there in Khilaafat wa malookiat. Those who know avoid it and those who don't know will not know it through that blog as well. The mischief did not spread at all. All of such views were Maulana Maududi ra's personal views and the Jamaat remained unaffected. "Refutations" like these serve no other purpose than insinuating an old grudge based on personal likes and dislikes.
Can you please let go your childish rhetoric and tantrums? Please come up some concrete arguments for Maulana Maududi.

As it was mentioned before, he was completely influenced by western thought and his concept of Islamic State was purely based on Communist/Socialist ideals.

induffike 10-01-2012 12:27 PM

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Another calamity which has engulfed the Muslim Ummah is the calamity of needless "refutations". One can find a refutation of almost any scholar of the recent past. This negative mindset is so prevalent that it leaves the ordinary Muslim in a confused state that "Is anyone on Haq or everyone is a deviant". Maulana Maududi rahimahullah did alot of services for Islam. He came in an age when modernism and secularism were becoming prevalent. He refuted the modernists and the Hadith rejectors of his time. He tried to work for , as every practical Muslims should do , the establishment of Islamic system. He actively worked against the Qadyanis and was sentenced to death during Ayub khan's tenure. To me he is far better than those who have castigated him.
http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/salam.gif

Dr. sahab, this can be said about any personality.
Berelwis may say- Ahmed Reza Khan was a great scholar, he did this, he did that, he is a human and not free from errors, we shouldn't search for his faults etc etc.

Similarly, Moududi saheb's issues can't be ignored saying this type of words.

His visions about establishing Islamic state can be accepted, but what about judging the activities of Sahabah http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/anhum.gif, interpreting Quran from personal understanding?
Repeatedly he was warned by Ulama to correct his activities, but stubbornly he continued what he was doing. Now JI is propagating those materials saying this is Haqq.

Calamities made by him are greater than benefits.

carreraboyracer 10-01-2012 01:02 PM

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I never said that Maulana Maududi ra is free of error or infallible. All i said is that he made some great efforts towards establishing the deen and his mistakes don't take him out of the fold of Islam so why not highlight his good instead of highlighting his errors? Similar errors can be found in almost any scholar. Everyone has his own Tafarudaat. I wonder how people come with "Lets make excuse for the scholar" if he belongs to their sect and unleash their swords on the scholars who don't submit to their sectarian mindset.
This.

Our scholars have already pinpointed madudi sahibs tafurudadt, every new effort will not benefit ummah.Secodnly post qazi hussain ahmed the jamat is more titled toward deobandi school of thought.

SHpuntik 10-01-2012 01:43 PM

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This is what I had posted before on the "contributions" of maududi and his jamaat: Making people more progressive /pro modern in approach and go easy on many (visible) aspects of the Sunnah, incline more towards politics at the cost of spirituality, encourage Talfiq and have scant regard for traditional Ulema and Mashaikh [infact they respect only those ulema who are pro-Jammati and dub all others as narrow minded] (which is why I left JI 4 or 5 years back after being with them for 12 years and with various responsibilities!).
One can easily guess what type of a caricature of 'Muslim' they produce!

My advise to the Jammat Islami:
I think the JI would be more successful if it were a purely political party with out any separate religious interpretation and ideology (based on Maududi's writings) and had accepted the Ulema's superiority and guidance instead of competing with the Ulema in the realm of interpretation of the deen . But unfortunately, they now have become just another 'Jamaat' or even a semi-distinct 'Maslak' in itself albeit with political ambitions. The way forward would be to dump the 'Tajdeed' done by Maududi sahab and his comrades in the Islamic interpretations and come back to the mainstream Hanafi school (since indo-Pak is basically Hanafi) and it's approach to deeni interpretations and accept the deeni leadership of traditional Ulema (they can approach a panel of respected Ulema in their countries and implement their recommendations in deeni matters and Tarbiyya of their cadre) and the party should focus on the socio-political front exclusively.


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