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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #1
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Default Allah’s curse is on the Palestinians!
We all know the plight of Palestinians. On a daily basis we see Ads splashed across all the Islāmic channels, TV channels and hear about it on the radio stations. No one needs an introduction to the situation of the Palestinians. Or, be told how the ongoing atrocities committed by the Zionists of Israel are continuing despite the global condemnation. To be honest, we as outsiders, can never fully understand or empathize with them. All we can do is, draw an image of Palestinian daily life from what we see on the TV screens or hear about it from third-party sources.
With this in mind and the understanding of the great struggle they go through daily...


read more: http://mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/08/25/al...-palestinians/


really?
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #2
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Now mh16388 will believe that it is not your blog.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #3
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Now mh16388 will believe that it is not your blog.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #4
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I thought it was the Saudis and Wahabis who rebelled first? The Ottomon khalif was approached by Zionists to sell Palestine to them, he refused saying it was not his to sell...it belonged to the Muslim people and he was just their caretaker. Some people say this is why the ottomons were destroyed by the Zionists. Many of the Young Turks were either jews or converted jews, Aturturk was also said to have come from a jewish family that converted to Islam known as the donmeh.

Salonica-Masonica - With devices and deceptions reminiscent of the labyrinthine obstacle courses set for the participants in the computer game 'Sonic the Hedgehog' the reign of Abdul Hamid II, the last Caliph of Islam, was brought to an end. Having taken control of Constantinople in a silent coup in July 1908, the 70,000 Semitic and 20,000 Donmeh, i.e. non‑Semitic Jewish Freemasons from Salonica took over the reins of power.

According to Coils' Masonic Encyclopedia, page 74, "The Grand Orient of Turkey was formed in 1908". In April 1909, the Young Turks - which was an entirely Jewish movement - rose in revolt and engineered his deposition. From that time until his death on February the 11th 1918, Abdul Hamid was a state captive. These events fulfill, to the letter, the prophecy of Rasulallah that 70,000 sons of Isaac (i.e. Semitic Jews) would conquer Constantinople without a shot being fired or a blow being struck, followed, within six years, by "The Great War" (1914-1918), then "The Arab Revolt which would enter every Arab house, followed by mutual hostilities between the Arabs." So this issue of Common Sense looks at Freemasonry, and Muslim readers may ask: Why this "obsession" with freemasonry. They will have swallowed the lie that Freemasonry is a weird relic of the past, a pass-time of queer men who only join because they derive some mutual benefit in business. Far from it, freemasonry was, and is, the tool by which society continues to be controlled. From American Presidents to British judges or parliamentarians, they are not entangled in masonry by accident. Every major city of the world is full of Masonic symbolism, and the Muslim world is no exception. Freemasonry is a religion, the old religion of witchcraft, the forbidden faith the children of Israel learned at Babylon. Freemasonry is a tool of the masters of the Jewish Kabbalah to make use of the inititated gentiles in excerting control for their benefit Why then, we may wonder, does it now come under fire?

To believe recent press reports, the British parliament is going to run an investigation into Freemasonry. Worried about increasing public awareness of police corruption, the Association of Chief Police Officers called upon the government to introduce a new law making it compulsory for members of the police to register their membership in a masonic organisation. They state that there is a conflict of interest if a member of the judiciary or the police belongs to an organisation in which they are bound by oath to assist their fellow brethren ahead of all other commitments. How come that Freemasonry, if it is so all permeating and secretive, cannot protect itself from coming under the spotlight and being curbed in this way? The answer is a simple one: Those who want to control the world and the destiny of man are now bold enough to drop the disguise. They think they have all but achieved their aim. They do no longer need the false dualism of American capitalism and (American-sponsored) Sowjet communism to keep people in fear and obedience. They do no longer need freemasons to organise the gentiles. They do no longer need to pretend to want peace when they go for the full-scale oppressive submission of peoples. They are ready to take direct global control: world government seems no longer a distant dream. Muslims know that the dabblers in magic have no share of the hereafter. Muslims know that only the pure truth can confront the tricks of the tricksters. Yet, to stand up for the truth requires the courage of one's convictions, a quality conspicuous by its absence amongst most Muslim leaders who have been caught in the intriguing web of those who wield financial and political power.

http://www.islamicparty.com/commonsense/19masonic.htm
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #5
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According to Coils' Masonic Encyclopedia, page 74, "The Grand Orient of Turkey was formed in 1908". In April 1909, the Young Turks - which was an entirely Jewish movement - rose in revolt and engineered his deposition. From that time until his death on February the 11th 1918, Abdul Hamid was a state captive. These events fulfill, to the letter, the prophecy of Rasulallah that 70,000 sons of Isaac (i.e. Semitic Jews) would conquer Constantinople without a shot being fired or a blow being struck, followed, within six years, by "The Great War" (1914-1918), then "The Arab Revolt which would enter every Arab house, followed by mutual hostilities between the Arabs." ......

http://www.islamicparty.com/commonsense/19masonic.htm
This is not right. The hadith is as the following;
"In Sahih Muslim, Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet Muhammad inquired:

― Have you heard of a city, of which part is in the sea? Yes, they said (understanding him to mean Constantinople). He said: ―The Last Hour shall not occur until 70,000 of the children of Isaac shall attack it. When they will come to it they will land down, but they will not fight with arms, nor shower it with arrows. They will only say: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest‘, and one of its sides will fall. They will recite it for the second time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is The Greatest‘, and another side of the city will fall. Afterwards they will recite for a third time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest’, and then it will be opened to them, and they will enter it and acquire booty. While they will be dividing the spoils, a proclaimer will come to them and say: Verily Dajjal/Anti-Christ has come out. Then they will leave everything and return.”

If the event in the hadith was referring to the demise of the Ottoman Caliphate, then the world would have seen the cursed dajjal already.

Allah Knows Best.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #6
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^^ right

this is the spiritual conquest by Imam al Mahdi.

Hazrat Mahdi (as) will plant a banner by the sea when he goes to perform his ablutions before the morning prayer (salat), and the waters will recede from him. And he will cross over the path that thus opens and cry out to people: ‘O people, come and pass. Almighty Allah has divided the sea for you as He did for the children of Israel.’ And they will cross. They will cry out taqbir (Allah is Great), and this time the tremor will be rather stronger. When they raise the third taqbir, twelve towers will collapse. They will enter directly into the city from there…’
(Al-Barzanji, Al-Isha'ah li-ashrat al-sa'ah, p. 181)
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #7
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This is not right. The hadith is as the following;
"In Sahih Muslim, Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet Muhammad inquired:

― Have you heard of a city, of which part is in the sea? Yes, they said (understanding him to mean Constantinople). He said: ―The Last Hour shall not occur until 70,000 of the children of Isaac shall attack it. When they will come to it they will land down, but they will not fight with arms, nor shower it with arrows. They will only say: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest‘, and one of its sides will fall. They will recite it for the second time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is The Greatest‘, and another side of the city will fall. Afterwards they will recite for a third time: ‘There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest’, and then it will be opened to them, and they will enter it and acquire booty. While they will be dividing the spoils, a proclaimer will come to them and say: Verily Dajjal/Anti-Christ has come out. Then they will leave everything and return.”

If the event in the hadith was referring to the demise of the Ottoman Caliphate, then the world would have seen the cursed dajjal already.

Allah Knows Best.


this is correct; this 'war' will take place in the end days according to maulana ashraf ali thanwi [ra]'s behesti zewwar too; basically, the first call that dajjal has appeared will be a rumour, but soon after that Dajjal will really appear:

... then he will advance towards constantinople, on reaching the river rome, He will depute seventy thousand soldiers from the clan of Abu Ishaq to attack the city. on reaching the parapats of the city the soldiers will cry out "Allahu-Akbar" and by its blessings the walls of the city will fall down and they will enter the city. killing the infidels, they will conquer the city. They will rule with justice and fairness and will restore order. all this will be done within six or seven years after the pledges taken by Imam Mehdi.

When Imam Mehdi will be busy in setting right the administrative affairs of constantinople, a rumour will spread that the Dajjal has appeared in Syria. hearing this the Imam Mehdi will proceed towards syria and will send some horsemen in advance to ascertain the rumour. one of these will return to inform that the rumour was baseless. Being satisfied the Imam will slow down His speed and would reach syria after settling the affairs of countries on His way.

Soon after the arrival of the Imam in Syria the Dajjal will actually appear.

ref; Beheshti-Zewaar (Heavenly Ornaments)
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #8
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We all know the plight of Palestinians. On a daily basis we see Ads splashed across all the Islāmic channels, TV channels and hear about it on the radio stations. No one needs an introduction to the situation of the Palestinians. Or, be told how the ongoing atrocities committed by the Zionists of Israel are continuing despite the global condemnation. To be honest, we as outsiders, can never fully understand or empathize with them. All we can do is, draw an image of Palestinian daily life from what we see on the TV screens or hear about it from third-party sources.
With this in mind and the understanding of the great struggle they go through daily...


read more: http://mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/08/25/al...-palestinians/


really?
أَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ أَن تَدْخُلُواْ الْجَنَّةَ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِكُم مَّثَلُ الَّذِينَ خَلَوْاْ مِن قَبْلِكُم مَّسَّتْهُمُ الْبَأْسَاء وَالضَّرَّاء وَزُلْزِلُواْ حَتَّى يَقُولَ الرَّسُولُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ مَعَهُ مَتَى نَصْرُ اللّهِ أَلا إِنَّ نَصْرَ اللّهِ قَرِيبٌ {214*002:an:Or think you that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, "When (will come) the Help of Allah?" Yes! Certainly, the Help of Allah is near!002:214*


If a place or a people are cursed they are bereft of blessings and guidance. On the other hand, the closer you are to Allah s.w.a the more severe trials you are put under.


BLESSED
Zaiid Ibn Thabit (ra) reports that the Prophet (saw) said, "How blessed is Al-Sham"! The Companions (ra) asked, "Why is that"? The Messenger (saw) replied, "I see the Angels of Allah spreading their wings over Al-Sham". Ibn Abbas (ra) added, "And the Prophets lived therein. There is not a single inch in Al-Quds (Jerusalem) where a Prophet has not prayed or an Angel not stood". (Tirmidhi, Ahmad)


WHOLE OF PALESTINE IS BLESSED AND HOLY AND NOT CURSED
The Prophet (saw) said, "Allah has blessed what lies between Al-'Arish (in Egypt) and the Euphrates and has made Palestine particularly Holy". (Kanz Al-Umal)


THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT CURSED THEY ARE FIGHTING IN THE CAUSE OF ALLAH
,*The Messenger of Allah (saw) said regarding the inhabitants of the blessed land, "They and their wives, children and slaves (male and female) are in ribat (guardians, literally a fort) in the cause of Allah". (Tabarani)


Umamah Al-Bahili (ra) reports that the Prophet (saw) said, "A group of my Ummah will remain on truth, they will vanquish their enemy and those who disagree with them will not be able to harm them until Allah commands". "Where are these people"? The Companions (ra) asked. The Prophet (saw) said, "In and around Al-Quds (Jerusalem). (Ahmad)

Muawiyah Ibn Sufyan (ra) relates that the Prophet (saw) said, "There is a group among my followers who will continue to be openly on the truth. No one who opposes them can harm them until the coming of the Hour". The Companions (ra) asked, "Where will they be"? The Messenger of Allah said, "They will be in and around Bayt Al-Maqdis (i.e. Jerusalem)". (Ahmad)

Abu Hurayrah (ra) relates that the Prophet (saw) said, "A group of my Ummah will not cease to fight at the gates of Damascus and at the gates of Al-Quds (Jerusalem) and its surroundings. The betrayal or desertion of whoever deserts them will not harm them in the least. They will remain victorious, standing for the truth, until the Final Hour rises". (Tabarani


Without doubt. Ws wr wb
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #9
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why isnt the curse of Allah on the saudis as well?

they also rebelled against the khalifah and continue to rule and oppress the muslims of hijaz and usurp the wealth of the muslim ummah.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #10
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what is with all of these curses? We should be making dua for these countries not curses. In these countries there are Muslims like us, how can we curse them for the wrong done by their leaders?
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #11
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what is with all of these curses? We should be making dua for these countries not curses. In these countries there are Muslims like us, how can we curse them for the wrong done by their leaders?
No one is cursing anyone. All we are doing here is trying to understand the reasons from a completely different angle in which no one has ever presented before.
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM   #12
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No one is cursing anyone. All we are doing here is trying to understand the reasons from a completely different angle in which no one has ever presented before.
Someone is claiming that Allah's curse is on the Palestinians.. what then does that imply?
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Old 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM   #13
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A post from a blog claiming the Palestinians are cursed:

We all know the plight of Palestinians. On a daily basis we see Ads splashed across all the Islāmic channels, TV channels and hear about it on the radio stations. No one needs an introduction to the situation of the Palestinians. Or, be told how the ongoing atrocities committed by the Zionists of Israel are continuing despite the global condemnation. To be honest, we as outsiders, can never fully understand or empathize with them. All we can do is, draw an image of Palestinian daily life from what we see on the TV screens or hear about it from third-party sources.
With this in mind and the understanding of the great struggle they go through daily...


read more: http://mybeliefs.co.uk/2012/08/25/al...-palestinians/


really?
No- not really.

First, any claim as to who Allah curses cannot be derived solely by our reasoning. Rather, it should be established based on Wahy.

What is the textual evidence which establishes such a 'curse'?
Does the text specify curse "l`anat", or does it mention something else, such a Sunnah of Allah of causation?

And if it is a curse, does it specify a people by name or action?
And if action, how is such action defined?
And can the action be clearly identified today?

Second,
Believers canNOT take the history and heritage of Islam and the Muslim Ummah from disbelievers. The OP is a 'cutnpaste' excerpt from the linked blog, which appears to arrive at this nationalist theory from these historians: Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal. One is an Israeli academian and historian, the other an American academian and historian. They have their own agenda ( possibly validating Palestinian statehood). Believers should not be fooled by them.


Third,
For the sake of establishing an authentic Islamic awareness of OUR HISTORY, let us look at the reality of the 1830s ce.

What was the context of the 1834 ce Arab revolt?

In summary, the French empire had invaded and conquered Misr. Napoleon did this in order to reconqure Al Quds on behalf of the Franks and Christiandom. The logic was: Misr was the powerhouse which served as the protectorate of al Quds. By removing Misr from the equation, Al Quds could be held by Christians.

The British empire sought the French conquest as an opportunity to inject its own power and influence into Misr and thereby weaken the Uthmani state and render the sultan beholden to Britain. The British made the same calculation regarding Misr and al Quds, only they chose NOT to revert to overt conquest. They favored colonization through capitulation.

So the French conquered Misr in 1798 and then marched/sailed to al Quds, eventually taking biladul Shaam.
Napoleon established his legal system in Misr, and that has remained in place since, hence modern Egypt. Napoleon and his Egyptian lackeys even tried to paint him as a "Muslim" in spirit, if not open religious affiliation.

The British gained Uthmani trust in a joint military counteroffensive against the French. As a result, the British were able to establish in power a 'proxy': Muhammad Ali Pasha.

Muhammad Ali Pasha opened supported "modernization". As wali of Egypt, he instituted numerous European modernizing national systems. Without going too deep, he initiated a national modern state system on the European model.

It was under Ali's state structure which invoked discontent in biladul Shaam, leading to the revolt. Ali was trying to draft into a conscript military young men from Shaam as well as collection taxation along a secular European model ( not an Islamic model). Various tribes and people did not agree with Ali.

By thw 1830s, the British were already involved in "advising" Ali on how to modernize and run Egypt. To no surprise, Ali's bureaucratic modernizing got Egypt indebt to Britain, paving the way for a pretext of British conquest and colonization.
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