[Brewpralgar]

Is there anything to prove from Qur'an and sunnah to show that you should put your finger down after saying tashahud

[ViktorialHDY]

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/Prayer.htm

The describing of the pointing of the finger according to the Hanafi jurists.

The chosen opinion according to majority of the Hanafi scholars is that the hands should be kept on the thighs (during Qa’dah). At the time of the words showing Tawhid, the little and ring finger (of the right hand) should be folded inwards, a circle should be formed with the middle finger and thumb. Pointing should be done with the index finger; it must be lifted when negating everything (when saying 'Lâ ilâha') and should be dropped when establishing the oneness of Allah (after saying 'ill Allah'). The fingers and the circle should be kept this way till the end of the Salaah.

(NB: Dropping does not mean that it should be dropped completely, it should be just lowered).

At the same time, the commentator of al Munyah, a Hanafi Fiqh book says that the pointing should be done as the 53 sign, which means that the middle, ring and little fingers should be folded inwards and the tip of the thumb should be placed at the base of the middle finger, the index finger should be then used to point, lifting at the time of negation and dropping at the time of affirmation of the oneness of Allah.

This gives us scope for making a choice between the two, because both are established from Nabi (sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam). It would therefore be appropriate to practice upon one sometimes and the other at other times.

[Ref: Majmua Rasail Ibn Abidin vol.1 pp.120, Fataawa Mahmudiyya vol.5 pp.635, Ahsanul Fataawa vol.3 pp.30]

[fubyFrery]

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/Prayer.htm

The describing of the pointing of the finger according to the Hanafi jurists.

The chosen opinion according to majority of the Hanafi scholars is that the hands should be kept on the thighs (during Qa’dah). At the time of the words showing Tawhid, the little and ring finger (of the right hand) should be folded inwards, a circle should be formed with the middle finger and thumb. Pointing should be done with the index finger; it must be lifted when negating everything (when saying 'Lâ ilâha') and should be dropped when establishing the oneness of Allah (after saying 'ill Allah'). The fingers and the circle should be kept this way till the end of the Salaah.

(NB: Dropping does not mean that it should be dropped completely, it should be just lowered).

At the same time, the commentator of al Munyah, a Hanafi Fiqh book says that the pointing should be done as the 53 sign, which means that the middle, ring and little fingers should be folded inwards and the tip of the thumb should be placed at the base of the middle finger, the index finger should be then used to point, lifting at the time of negation and dropping at the time of affirmation of the oneness of Allah.

This gives us scope for making a choice between the two, because both are established from Nabi (sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam). It would therefore be appropriate to practice upon one sometimes and the other at other times.

[Ref: Majmua Rasail Ibn Abidin vol.1 pp.120, Fataawa Mahmudiyya vol.5 pp.635, Ahsanul Fataawa vol.3 pp.30]

If one is asked about the proof of lowering the finger at illallah, could we ask as an counterargument what the proof is for lowering the hands during raising the hands after and before the ruku' immediately?

Some relevant threads in the unresolved section where posting is not possible:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...t-at-ill-Allah
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...to-the-Hanafis

[RlUbQU3R]

"it must be lifted when negating everything (when saying 'Lâ ilâha') and should be dropped when establishing the oneness of Allah (after saying 'ill Allah')."

Please cite a Hadith from the Prophet (saws) where he did or said to do this.

[Leaters]

"it must be lifted when negating everything (when saying 'Lâ ilâha') and should be dropped when establishing the oneness of Allah (after saying 'ill Allah')."

Please cite a Hadith from the Prophet (saws) where he did or said to do this.

Dont ask hadith for everything.