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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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 Are nadwa, maulana ali mian associated to deoband?
Assalamu-'alaykum
I was stumbled upon by a question, a clear answer to which i could not find and that was: Does nadwatul-ulama, in lakhnaw (lucknow, india), follow the maslak of the ulama of deoband? Well, the reply seems to be positive according to the wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi , under the "history" section). So, initially, i stuck to this opinion but then, later, i found conflicting statements, otherwise; i even saw a nadwi labeled as "ameer ahl-e-hadis" by some ghayr muqallidin. Then, i came up with the idea that Nadwa is a bit "moderate" kind of institution with some nadwis being deobandis, like maulana abul-hasan ali nadwi (also known as maulana ali mian) and maulana sulayman nadwi (who gave bay'ah to maulana hakimul-ummat, later in his life), but respectable brother Muadh khan seemed to oppose this view point as can be seen from his discussion on the following thread: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...highlight=abul So, i turned to brother khanbaba, so he said i think muad khan was wrong mawlana mite have some views contrary to our ulama but over all he wass deobandi Then i turned to askimam, which replied as follows: Question Assalamu-'alaykum Mufti sahib, can u plz tel that 1) What r the differences between deoband and nadwa? 2) And were some nadwis like maulana abulhasan ali nadwi associated with the deobandi maslik? Wasslaam Answer In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Darul Uloom Deoband was founded in the year 1283A.H. This was during the rule of the English who’s mission was to eradicate Islam from India. Hadrat Mawlana Qasim Nanothwi رحمه الله تعالى started Darul Uloom Deoband with the sole mission of keeping the teachings of the Noble Quran and Sunnah alive in accordance with the belief of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah. This is the maslak of the Ulama of Deoband. Anybody who follows this path could be called a “Deobandi” even though he might not have studied in Deoband. Students studying in various institutes link themselves to that institute. For example student of Deoband call themselves Qasmi’s, Mazahurul Uloom call themselves Mazahiri, students of Jalalabad call themselves Jalalabadi’s etc. but they are all Deobandi’s in that they all follow the school of thought of Deoband. In the same way students of Nadwatul Ulama call themselves Nadwi’s but they are also Deobandi’s. And Allah knows best Wassalam u Alaikum Ml. Ishaq E. Moosa, Student Darul Iftaa Checked and Approved by: Mufti Ebrahim Desai Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah So, can any body add any information to answer my question? Wasslaam |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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You guys shouldn't worry about the 'deobandi' stick.
Everywhere there is difference of opinion. 
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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Assalamu-'alaykum If you compare Deobandees, Barelwees & Ahl-e-Hadeeth then Nadwees are Deobandees. Shaykh Abul-Hasan Ali Nadwi (RA) is probably more Deobandi because of his close-affiliations with Tableeghi Jamaat and Ulama at Deoband. So Shaykh Mufti Ibraheem Desai (DB) & Khanbaba are right in that sense. |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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im sure ive read mufti hussain mention something about nadwa before.
Nadwa produces a mix of graduates........ Maulana abul hasan ali nadwi was clearly deobandi though he had good ties with the saudis. these days nadwah produces a mix of various scholars. They are less orthodox than most deobandis and they are more similar to the syrians etc without the positive attitude to tasawuff. Nadwah is a big mix but definitely a place with good potential. It is far better than most of the darulooms in the indopak and their standard of arabic is great. The imam of our masjid is a nadwah graduate and his arabic is a class above most maulanas that have studied in indopak darulooms. The worrying thing about some nadwah people is their modernistic attitude i.e. cutting beard etc. Shaykh akram nadwi has a book called madrasah life where he talks about his student life at nadwah. It is an interesting read. |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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these days nadwah produces a mix of various scholars. They are less orthodox than most deobandis and they are more similar to the syrians etc without the positive attitude to tasawuff.  brother what do you mean by it? can you please elaborate it? do you mean in fiqh line?
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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The worrying thing about some nadwah people is their modernistic attitude i.e. cutting beard etc. Even Darul 'Uloom Bury is know for it's students to cut their beards in vacations. So, let's always differentiate. |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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I don't think these things are emphasised by the institute or maslak of Nadwat al-'Ulama. |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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Even Darul 'Uloom Bury is know for it's students to cut their beards in vacations. So, let's always differentiate. Even if a few students do this then they're breaking the rules. Their emphasis on the beard is no less than at any other DU. Hadhrat Yusuf Motala (founder of DU Bury), whenever he meets anybody the first thing he looks at is their beard and if anything is hanging below the ankles, so do you think someone like him will tolerate beard-trimming at his institute. |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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Where did you hear this bro? |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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Where did you hear this bro? Huffaz from Dewsbury told me, wallahu alam. But that's not the point. I was just trying to draw a parallel. Just like Darul 'Uloom Bury graduates/students' neglecting to keep beard CAN NOT be associated with the institution, the same goes for Nadwatul 'Ulama. |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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Basically, the actions of an institute should not be a basemark for the institute itself, unless the institute is advocating agreeing to the actions of the individuals.
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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let me mention something.....
Some teachers in nadwah have short beards and trousers below ankles this is not the case in Bury. As I said I think we should refer to hadhrat mufti husain saheb's answer which I have seen previously on the forum. It would be great if mufti saheb would comment on nadwah. 
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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[QUOTE=True Life;363291]
Huffaz from Dewsbury told me, wallahu alamQUOTE] That explains everything! |
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09-04-2012, 03:22 AM
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[QUOTE=True Life;363291]
Just like Darul 'Uloom Bury graduates/students' neglecting to keep beard CAN NOT be associated with the institution[QUOTE] I hope everyone understands that this is NOT the case. Students from Dewsbury are the last people you refer to if you want to know about DU Bury. |
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07-01-2012, 05:55 PM
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Asalamualikum, Verily Maulana Ali Mian (Rahmatulla alihi) is our seniormost elder and scholar. However with regards to the maslak of nadwa he himself has written a book -"Basair" in which it outlines the difference between nadwa and deoband. It tells us why nadwa was formed and in that it mentions its objective. So, we see a mixture of ideas in nadwa as it is not strict as compared to Deoband. But after all that, no criticism should be hauled towards the writer or the madaris.
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07-01-2012, 07:05 PM
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Asalamualikum, Verily Maulana Ali Mian (Rahmatulla alihi) is our seniormost elder and scholar. However with regards to the maslak of nadwa he himself has written a book -"Basair" in which it outlines the difference between nadwa and deoband. It tells us why nadwa was formed and in that it mentions its objective. So, we see a mixture of ideas in nadwa as it is not strict as compared to Deoband. But after all that, no criticism should be hauled towards the writer or the madaris. Could You expand upon what you mean by "differences" ? What differences does the book you read make mention off? |
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08-01-2012, 12:41 PM
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Walaikum assalaam, |
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