I am out but not seeing anything.
 

Ok guys, I have this problem:
I am trying to get OOBE for 4 years now and I had some minor successes of getting to the vibrational state and out of body BUT:
It is usually like this: I have a lucid dream or just a regular dream, when I wake up from it I feel vibrations that are almost like buzzing in my ears, I don´t move so the vibrations don´t go off and I usually just imagine that I´m sitting up or rolling to the side. then the vibrations are getting more and more powerful until I kinda pass out for a moment and feel like I´m rolling off my bed, but the feeling is so real, it is just like I´m falling off it in real life and now comes the main problem: I don´t see anything, I can feel that I´m laying on the floor by my bed but I just don´t see anything. Then after a while laying on the floor i just wake up and I´m laying in the position in which i fell asleep so it has to be OOBE, but I just don´t see anything just like I had my eyes closed while out of body...
Do anyone of you experienced something similar?
Rudy http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

It's very common, Rudy and if you do a search for "astral blindness" you'll find it being discussed. Basically, try asking for clarity or prying your astral body eyes open with your astral hands. If that doesn't work, sometimes you can find a tiny pinpoint of light that you can pull towards you until it expends to fill your entire field of vision. You can function without astral sight if these methods don't work. Eventually, as you experience your astral body more, its perceptual abilities should become enhanced.

Thank you, I just didn´t know what to search for... I am foreign exchange student from Czech Republic btw...

Troyanek, you're welcome. It's nice to have you on board. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...on_biggrin.gif

Hello, Troyanek.

Your experience is not uncommon. My first OBE years ago happened in complete darkness for me. I only could hear stuff, but not see. (BTW, I'm not saying that I do better now, so please don't get the impression I am a regular projector or anything.)

I have been since told that experiences where you don't see (and if you cannot simply remedy that by using the methods Beekeeper described) may be due to the fact that the energy body you are using for projecting (etheric, astral, mental, etc.) is not yet sufficiently developed to provide for sight.

Each energy body has a set of senses and abilities - the most basic ones are feeling some presence in the body, then sensing presence in a space or on a plane. This can be as simple as just feeling that you are in a vast space when in this reality you aren't. Then you might be able to feel your own movement, but not see where you're going - just this sense of motion, like you get in a moving car, for example. And so on. This develops to a point where you can interact and see on that plane and with that energy body.

So, if this is the case for you, this state of things might change over time. It depends on your personal spiritual development - the energy bodies are not just vehicles for your consciousness, they are indeed aspects of who you are. The astral body is your store for unresolved emotions, and the mental body for your beliefs and expectations about this (or any) world. So, if you work actively on your emotions, on unresolved anger, bitterness, sadness, etc., you are also developing/purifying your astral body, and also your ability to move, sense and see. This would also more likely reflect in being able to dream more clearly and recall better.

At least I have been told so and could verify this for myself in short, spontaneous experiences.

Be well,
Oliver

Interesting, I love this forum... finally a place where astral travel is the main topic!
Oliver: I used to have anger in me every now and then... but since maybe Last year I am anger free and almost bad-emotions free. I know that it sounds impossible but I found amazing Idea of living that was laying in my consciousness. And it is pretty simple:
I don´t look at things as on bad and good, but as things that just happen. I personally don´t believe in good and bad, just something like energy movement (I hope you know what I mean.). And I don´t have any religion so my mind is opened to anything that seems interesting to me. So that should not be the case (even though one never knows).
I do energy work every evening and was surprised when I could see peoples a mine aura suddenly after waking up in class after the energy work, so it has some good influence on me at least.

And btw I have one more thing that I would like to Ask you: Is it biological or energy thing to see in semi-complete darkness something like "high ISO grain" it is with both eyes opened and closed. Right now I´m looking at white wall behind my computer and still can see it. It´s hard to explain it, sort of like when you stare at light and then see it with closed eyes but this doesn´t have any color and doesn´t move according to where I look.
any idea what it could be?
Rudy

Sounds like Astral sight, also known as 'seeing through the eyelids'. It happens occasionally, and it is probably associated with deep trance.

I experience this too, but this is something different,I am absolutely awake in alfa state and the things I see don´t have anything in common with my surroundings or things that I should see. My guess is that it is biological and that is just neurons excessive activity or something. When you look at the white wall do you see it completely normal or with some mind-made-like texture?
damn this is so hard to explain... sorry

Do you mean like pixels but they seem to be moving? If so, I think it's normal. I certainly see areas of space this way and, I guess, it could be the nature of the solids too, but I see it in broad daylight as well.

Hello, Rudy.

This sounds like you moved through the astral phase of development where the majority of emotional upheaval is cleaned out and into the mental body phase. It is not unusual to not have sight in an energy body you are newly developing. In each energy body you kind of start over - developing the specific senses making up that body.

(Please keep in mind I speak somewhat from experience, but mostly from material I've learned to trust and that makes sense for me.)

The reaction you use - things aren't either good or bad - is a very valid exercise. I know of a variation where you respond to various events in life and how people respond to you with the attitude of "This is just information." This removes the personal charge, and can help develop a level of detachment that removes one from initial reactive behaviour.

Everything is indeed an energy movement - or transformation. You came up with all of this yourself?

Oliver

Yes... I just spent a lot of time thinking about life and reality.. And I have no religion so it is not hard to accept ideas of my soul... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/wink3.png

I suppose anything is possible, but astral sight is not usually 'picture perfect', sometimes it is pixellated, or sometimes it looks like what you would see if you were wearing infrared goggles.
However, if you are experiencing a different surrounding (for example, you are lying in your bed in the middle of the forest) that is a bit of projection with bilocation- you have complete body awareness but are experiencing an astral environment, and your brain combines both inputs in the most understandable way.

ps. When you have astral sight you will see you are completely awake, if you read the thread I linked to you, you will see people commenting that they open their eyes to make sure they are indeed seeing what they think they're seeing.

interesting... after some investigation and staring at things around me with closed eyes i realised what it is: It is like the objects around me (even not-living objects like table) emmited energy that gets through my eye lids. This really looks like the astral vision because it works in dark too. creepy thing is that I see masses of energy floating over my bed (one looks like white circle with black hole in the middle) but I see this only in dark.
Thank you for explaining me something that was on my mind since I was a child. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...on_biggrin.gif

So, have you considered experimenting with the energies you see? Like imagining touching them with "imaginary" hands? Could be interesting, especially for energies you only see with your eyes closed (not corresponding to things actually present in the room). Would be interesting to hear what happens.

Oliver

I´ll try it today at school... keep your imaginary fingers crossed... http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...lies/wink3.png

Consider it done. http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...on_biggrin.gif

Oliver

Well.. Tried touching it but no success because it seems and feels like 2D picture...

Interesting thing is happening to me since I started energy work and especially now the "touching the energy thing" I used to have lazy left eye as a kid and now it is back... Do you guys think that there is any relation or is it just coincidence? I don´t really care if I have lazy eye or not so it is not a problem for me, but people around me are like "are you looking at me or at the sky?" http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...on_biggrin.gif

Physical problems can be reencountered when getting in touch with "soul fragments" - there was something in the Movie & Book section about that.

A 2D image is a valid response - it is a symbol. Or even only a memory. But it means something. Now, you have to decode what it means to you. It is probably giving you some information about the energy - why do you encounter it, what it is, etc.

Oliver