[Hrennilasi]

So i found this video while looking for a video to help a young lady that trains at my shelter who is having a hard time with a little dog who keep biting her every time she tries to put him a sit.

I can't believe someone would keep a dog like this around!
Idk about you guys but this would be a dog I would not bother feeding. ANY dog this aggressive spells trouble!

Aggressive pitbull chicago dog training sit means sit

[tuszit]

In my house his name would be "dead dog walking"...

No F-ing way does the general public need a un-balanced dog like that!!!
Try that again tomorrow and you'll see the samething.

[Prealiitellg]

I have a new term for HA dogs. I'll just say they have "hole in the head disease" meaning they need a hole in the head

[Yb4bulVR]

I agree, odds are the average person wouldnt have what it takes to get him over his issues and I would suggest having him PTS. If they were experienced owners who were willing to do all possible to keep that from happening, I may try to help him get over it before I made that suggestion.

[ENCOSEARRALIA]

I have a new term for HA dogs. I'll just say they have "hole in the head disease" meaning they need a hole in the head

have you ever put a dog down yourself annie?
in your case its a "hole in the vein" disease aint it?

[Prealiitellg]

have you ever put a dog down yourself annie?
in your case its a "hole in the vein" disease

tis true, when I've had dogs I've had to put down I've live in the city in a neighborhood where it's illegal to discharge a weapon Now when it comes to it, would I rather pay a vet $130 (yes, that is what it cost when I actually did put a HA dog to sleep) or pay for a bullet, what would I rather do with a HA dog?

[Edisesyethisp]

First word that comes to mind... CULL.

[samanthalueus]

Oh, and it was done by one of those 'Sit Means Sit' "trainers" ...

[Yb4bulVR]

I have a dog right now who really interesting. He reminds me somewhat of this guy in the video. He has DA, is VERY reactive to other dogs, redirects, and sometimes lunges at people in a reactive way.. canes, hats, different things set him off.

Now, from just that, you could say have him PTS and generally I would agree. But not with this Fella. Im completely smitten with him, totally and completely in love. Hes the biggest mush ever in the house and even outside at times he will roll over on his back right in the middle of the sidewalk. Hes walked with a muzzle, two thick flat collars and two sturdy leashes. He has a strong owner and 4 dog walkers. Theyve actually made strides with him, but needed a bit more instruction to get him over his last few obstacles. And thats how I met him.

One of his walkers showed up with him at one of our Packwalks about 4 weeks ago. I noticed him right away because of the noise he was making if you catch my drift.

Weve worked with him 2x since then and theyve been working him constantly. Last weekend he was within 25-30 feet of another dog and he was laying there, a bit anxious, but relaxed.

Maybe Im just taking this one a bit personal given who Im dealing with.

[highattainlet]

That dog needs to go! Dogs like that are the bad apples of the bunch because their owner failed training them in one way or another and the trainer seems to not know what the hell he is doing because being thankful the POS dog has a muzzle on and isn't biting the snot out of him. After fostering a super nutcase HA American bull dog a few months ago, I see no reason to keep a dog that unstable around in this world. ALL HA dogs should automatically be on the way out of this planet once and for all. Why that lady keeps a dog like him around, I will never know.

[Hrennilasi]

Yes, I would highly agree...scary part is if that muzzle slips off this guy is toast

[inchaaruutaa]

What the hell are those people playing at? Anyone with half a brain would realize that dog needs to be PTS asap. How can you even love a dog that's out of it's head like that? It's selfish to keep such an unhappy, unstable dog alive... no training is going to help that poor thing at all. And just think if that muzzle slips or the leash falls or the dog becomes otherwise uncontainable...

Why is it, exactly, that the people are allowing that dog to live? Do they truly think they can change a dog past the point of no return? Or do they just enjoy the thought that maybe they'll have more time before they slip up and cause people and other animals to die or be injured by the dog?

[8Uxtkz7F]

OMG there is NO future for that dog..and i love how its a miracle after 10 min the dog listens..yea ok..just bc the dog is exausted now dont think for one sec the dog wont rip ure face off the next time he goes and gets him out! He needs to be PTS

[AliceFromHouston]

you kill the dog because the owner never trained the dog. where in the video does the owner tell the dog to stop or no. also he is shocking the shit out of the dog pissing the dog off more. it is always easy to kill a dog and go get another one.

[katetomson]

you kill the dog because the owner never trained the dog. where in the video does the owner tell the dog to stop or no. also he is shocking the shit out of the dog pissing the dog off more. it is always easy to kill a dog and go get another one.

You can't train an unstable dog... it's like telling a schizophrenic person that their imagined people are not real. It's real to them and they don't share reality like we do. Sorry for anthropomorphizing hardcore on that one, but it's the best I could think of.

This dog is clearly unstable, if he is going after a human that hard. He needs a bullet. (and yes, Lee.. I've done it.)

[AdvertisingPo]

you kill the dog because the owner never trained the dog. where in the video does the owner tell the dog to stop or no. also he is shocking the shit out of the dog pissing the dog off more.it is always easy to kill a dog and go get another one.

Thank you.

Holy Christ; THAT is their method for addressing reactive DA and redirection??

I am however on the fence about what should be done.

On the one hand, personally I am of the opinion that when one takes responsibility for a living sentient being one should be forced (if necessary) to take responsibility - in this case suck it up and fix your mistakes and manage the situation, not simply make it conveniently go away.

On the other hand most people who let the situation get to this point, are incapable of managing it even if forced so it's just going to be a disaster in the making for other dogs and dog owners in general.

I would like to see such owners be limited in the future to owning only pugs and shih-Tzus.

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Maybe Im just taking this one a bit personal given who Im dealing with.

No...I think you're seeing the whole picture...not just a 5 minute video clip or a paragraph of type that shows only a small slice of the whole pie.

Plus you are seeing first hand that behavioral interventions really can work...

Yes some dogs are clearly unstable and need to be euthanized (as are some people)...it's just generally not that black and white when you are forced to see the entire picture.

[8Uxtkz7F]

just bc the dog is untrained doesnt mean it has to be aggressive..but it is. I have seen MANY dogs untrained w/ no manners but they are not aggressive. That dog is a tickin time bomb. So many stable dogs need homes.

[Prealiitellg]

I've also known dogs that have been trained, and socialized, and everything done right with them that just were not right in the head. I have had two temperamentally unstable dogs I have had to put down, but yet I've also had dogs that have become TDI dogs. I haven't done anything different with either of them. I've had a dog that was a rescue and did not have a good life before I got her, and was terrified of everything that I was able to turn around and have her become a TDI dog, but yet I've had two that were pretty well bred, most people would have loved their peds, and their looks, and their drive, but for some reason, they were not good around other people. One dog was so afraid of everything in the world EXCEPT me, that he pissed and freaked out when he met new people, hell even people he knew since he was a pup, including my friend that is a trainer, we tried working and working and working with him, he was even my only dog that have ever gone through "puppy kindegarten" (lol, I got in for free cause my friend's a trainer, lmao) and he was slowly getting to the point where he would have become a fear biter, I had to euthanize him at 15 months old. The other one was an absolutely gorgeous bitch that was absolutely everything you would ever want in a bulldog, except for one problem; she was extremely prey driven, but she saw everything as prey, including humans other than my husband and me. We had her euthanized at about 18 months old. Do you really think these dogs were untrained, or could have been saved? Some of you people are way too quick to defend a human aggressive dog. Some dogs really are not wired right, and no, it is not always the owner that caused the problem, unless the owner is stupid enough to keep that dog alive.

[erelvenewmeva]

Regardless of the dog's potential or any of that, sometimes it's better for a difficult/untrained dog to be dead, rather than in the hands of idiots, because that's how people get hurt.

[AliceFromHouston]

You can't train an unstable dog... it's like telling a schizophrenic person that their imagined people are not real. It's real to them and they don't share reality like we do. Sorry for anthropomorphizing hardcore on that one, but it's the best I could think of.

This dog is clearly unstable, if he is going after a human that hard. He needs a bullet. (and yes, Lee.. I've done it.)

if i don't tell my dog to stop he will go harder than that dog. is he unstable no just wasn't told to stop. people see this dog going after one person in one video and think the dog is crazy. do you know how easy it is too make a dog think he is doing the right thing. when the dog first started barking at people she could have been making the number 1 sin petting the dog. if everytime he lashes out at be people you pet him the dog thinks i'm doing a good job lets do it again. in the video that dog lashed out many of times and was never told to stop.

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just bc the dog is untrained doesnt mean it has to be aggressive..but it is. I have seen MANY dogs untrained w/ no manners but they are not aggressive. That dog is a tickin time bomb. So many stable dogs need homes.

like it or not some dogs are aggressive does that mean they are unstable no. so if a pit is not da is it unstable. because a pitbull should be da that is what they are made for

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One dog was so afraid of everything in the world EXCEPT me, that he pissed and freaked out when he met new people, hell even people he knew since he was a pup, including my friend that is a trainer, The other one was an absolutely gorgeous bitch that was absolutely everything you would ever want in a bulldog, except for one problem; she was extremely prey driven, but she saw everything as prey, including humans other than my husband and me. We had her euthanized at about 18 months old. Do you really think these dogs were untrained, or could have been saved? Some of you people are way too quick to defend a human aggressive dog. Some dogs really are not wired right, and no, it is not always the owner that caused the problem, unless the owner is stupid enough to keep that dog alive.

your first dog is nothing like this dog fear and straight out aggerision is something totally different.

do i think the second dog could be saved maybe. 18m a dog is still a pup. i have and will kill a dog in a heart beat. most aggressive dogs the owner caused it to get out of control. when i defend this dog i am looking at the same video as the rest of you. if she ain't telling the dog to stop in the video she doesn't do it on a regular bases is all i saying