[Maypeevophy]

Over here in Detroit you sometimes see more Ambullies then Pitbulls but let me tell you they are great very solicziable dogs big and beaituful and nice

[BadbarmrapBef]

But, you said THE most important thing - probably 99% of "pit bull" attacks are by mixed breed dogs!

And mixed breed dogs are generally not the result of intentional, well thought out, planned breedings with an eye towards the genetic make up of the line and intentions about producing certain traits.

I think that is key.

[Johnny]

Interesting!

I am from California, where Am Bullies are the "in" thing... so it's logical that the MORE Am Bullies there are in one area, the greater the chance of an incident.

I wouldn't consider Am Bullies a purebred dog... to me, they are still a mix.

But, you said THE most important thing - probably 99% of "pit bull" attacks are by mixed breed dogs!

Hmm, I'm from Toronto and I have only seen maybe 3 Am Bullies in my life. I've seen larger "pit bulls" but all looked obviously mixed. It's sad how many "pit bull" attacks here are mutts, a lot don't even look like pitbulls!

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I also think probably from the ban here, none of the Am Bully breeders can breed here, thats probably also why there isn't many Am Bullies.

[fuesquemill]

i am a believer in the fact that some dogs are just born bad.no matter what their upbringing and how we try to prevent it they just have the capability to be bad.whether that ever comes out is another matter but i have seen several dogs that were simply bad dogs in good hands.which funny enough is far less risk than a good dog in bad hands !

[iouiyyut]

That makes the most sense to me. I realize some breeds are inherently wary of strangers and have guarding instincts; but in my mind that means if you don't antagonize the dog (by attacking it's owner, or tresspassing without owner present on it's territory)...you should be just fine.

To me, when I hear HA; I think of an unstable dog that will bite in situations where your average dog of sound temperment would not do so; keeping in mind that I believe there are certain situations in which any dog will bite. I do ackowledge some dogs have a higher bite threshhold; but I personally believe every dog has a breaking point (jmho).

I love your post jazzy.

I agree a 100% with every dog having a breaking point.

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i am a believer in the fact that some dogs are just born bad.no matter what their upbringing and how we try to prevent it they just have the capability to be bad.whether that ever comes out is another matter but i have seen several dogs that were simply bad dogs in good hands.which funny enough is far less risk than a good dog in bad hands !

with bad dogs, do you mean bad breeding causing unsound dogs or bred correctly by respectable/good breeders?

and I have to agree, some could own HA dogs without having a dangerous dog to the community, but they are damn hard to find IMO...

[fuesquemill]

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with bad dogs, do you mean bad breeding causing unsound dogs or bred correctly by respectable/good breeders?

and I have to agree, some could own HA dogs without having a dangerous dog to the community, but they are damn hard to find IMO...

what i mean is some dogs regardless of their breeding just have a streak of badness in them that may or may not come out at some stage.its like people not all serial killers have evil parents or a bad upbringing some are just nasty from their core for no real reason.
ive seen well bred dogs that were hard on people and ive seen cur bred dogs that were hard on people its like anything born from nature occasionally you will find the genetic freak that cannot be explained thats just life human or animal.

[tsovimnpb]

Interesting!

I am from California, where Am Bullies are the "in" thing... so it's logical that the MORE Am Bullies there are in one area, the greater the chance of an incident.

I wouldn't consider Am Bullies a purebred dog... to me, they are still a mix.

But, you said THE most important thing - probably 99% of "pit bull" attacks are by mixed breed dogs!

I have seen some AMbully "purebreeds" which if you ask me are jokes, one had extra toes, crossed eyes, and bow legs...thats not purebred anything! One of my dogs is an ambully/apbt and he is LOUD he barks at people who scare him and growls and drunk guys who try to tower over him. My as far as I know %100 pittie girl (lord knows though I rescued her) is the most loving little bug in the world and I have put her through the ringer with TT. I have literally picked her up turned her upside down, put my hands in her mouth, pulled on her tail...no response but licks and smiles. She will on occasion snap at my other dog over resources but never done any skin breaking, she has been attacked by dogs and just tried to run. The ONLY time she has ever reacted was when some lab mutt thing bit me and she pinned it...thats IT.

[FilmCriticAwezume]

ive been around game line APBTs all of my life with not problems but a friend of mine had 2 gotti/razors edge dogs out of the same litter and they both had to be put down for being HA so id say the bully lines

[Allorneadesee]

Does it matter if it is a "game-bred" dog, or if it is just a pure bred APBT. It really makes no sense to use the word "gamebred" in this conversation. I know multiple people that have had pure bred apbt's that were HA and put down, and I know plenty of people NOW with pure bred apbts that bite, that have not been put down, but there parents were not matched, so they are not gamebred. And how the hell would anyone know by looking at a story on the news if a dog was "gamebred" or not? It is ridiculous to even think you could do so. It is not as if the owners are showing pedigrees with 2xw on the TV after an incident, come on.

Sure you see dogs that look as if they are not apbt that attack, then you see some that attack that appear that they COULD be apbt (no one would ever admit that though), how would you even know for sure, it is pure speculation. Maybe we should stop blaming the bully for all of troubles with the breed today, a ton of BSL is from alleged fighting rings (apbts), and the other part is from attacks on people (Bullies according to everyone else). Anytime a so called pitbull attacks...it a Bully! I agree, some appear to be, and some do not.

[Nosmas]

Maybe we should stop blaming the bully for all of troubles with the breed today, a ton of BSL is from alleged fighting rings (apbts), and the other part is from attacks on people (Bullies according to everyone else). Anytime a so called pitbull attacks...it a Bully! I agree, some appear to be, and some do not This is a very good point. I know of one dog here who was "game bred" on one side of his line and won endless conformation titles but then bit a kid and came to his end.

If I'm not mistaken, chinaman was responsible for biting several people and also went on to great success withing the square confines. I also recall seeing a newspaper report and an accompanying letter to breeders from a kennel club official or someone highly ranked amid the game scene detailing a kid being killed in the early 1900's in a dog fighters yard and they called for all trainers to ensure their dogs are socialised with kids or these situations would continue to occur.

It is typically accepted that game lines will be less likely to bite and they are typically more difficult to train for bitework sports like schutzhund than a nice byb dog. that being said, all it takes is the right trigger.

[Avoireeideree]

if along with the breeding, the old timers also handled their dogs better (as well as understanding their dogs better) than the majority today.

What someone today would see and go "that's HA" may have been seen by the breeders/handlers back in the day as just an idiot owner/handler that can't control their dog.

It seems (to me anyway) that many of the incidents that are perceived as HA could have been prevented if the owner was watching their dog more carefully and knew how to read the dog's body language. But controlling the dog is only part of the formula, one also needs to control the situations (by avoidance for example) the dog might end up in.

A lack of common sense, ignoring the reality that it is a dog and not a 4 legged child, and not acknowledging that shit can get out of control really fast even with the best of dogs I think is the root cause of many problems. That being the case even a dog from the best lines could end up in trouble because of its owner's failings.