[Triiooman]

U.S. military growing concerned with Obama's Afghan policy

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/world/U_S_-military-growing-concerned-with-Obama_s-Afghan-policy-92723004.html#ixzz0myGlj7dA

This is one of those articles that should NOT be this easy to write. Why? Because the US Military should NOT have a public opinion on the subject of the Commander In Chief’s official policies. This policy was established early in America’s history, and was confirmed in 1861 when all of the Officers who sided with the Confederacy against the Union turned in official resignations before they opened their mouths in public. The most recent examples of this sort of behavior that had disciplinary consequences were Generals Patton and McArthur. In Patton’s case, he was slandered by the Press a few times before he got tagged for real comments, and was only Retired for Cause AFTER World War Two was concluded, and even then Truman let the Chain of Command do the honors. In McArthur’s case, Truman did it himself, directly, and blew off the political consequences as unimportant. Now, we have a situation where the same thing is happening again, and this time it is some of the Chain of Command who are violating the policy.

This is the reason why all of the current crop of Officers and NCOs who have spoken up have felt justified about opening their mouths on the same subject – they see their superiors doing the same thing and getting away with it. Sorry, but this is one NCO who doesn’t approve of the behavior of the Senior Chain of Command, and I’m glad that my Retired status gives me the freedom to say so.

[squicscor]

This isn't the ONLY thing Bozo O-Dumbo is making a mockary of and everything else he touches or speaks about. I am still serving in the Army Reserves, (now total Army time 20 years), and UNTIL I SEE HIS ORIGINAL birth certificate and an EXPLAINATION of WHY HE USED over 16 different Social Security Numbers, (traced back to his names he used, WITH ADDRESSES HE LIVED AT, INCLUDING HIS POLITICAL OFFICE IN ILLONOIS), during college, as well as while he was in office years before running for president he has NO LEGAL RIGHT to order me or anyone else in the military to follow any order given by him. Those who feel they should because he is the "Commander in Chief", well you just might as well pi$$ on the Constitution you so sworn to protect! No need to point at me or bash me because you all KNOW I am speaking the truth! I was born a U.S. Citizen, I come from a family history of Marines and Army and I was raised to do what was and is RIGHT for this country and above ALL the Constitution of the United States that this country was built on. Many of you may remember "YOUR OATH" you sworn to do when you joined the services you entered!

As far as I am concerned, he isn't my commander in chief. The people who voted him into office should really be embarassed that they voted for him. Bozo O-Dumbo will make history as the WORST nad ONLY leader of the United States, (He doesn't deserve to be represented as President by me). I hope all you dip$ hits who voted for him are sure proud now! Guess it was race thing was the reason people voted for him!

[stuck_in_WA]

I'm sure you'll be fighting all the way to your court martial.

Your personal opinion that he's lied on the matter of his birth certificate doesn't matter. You swore an oath on the Constitution, yes. You swore an oath to obey all lawful orders by your command, of which the President is top.

But guess what? Until such time as the Constitutionally established system says the the President is not legally in his office, he is legally the President---your commander---and you are in violation of both of your oaths.

I've also noticed that the more creative you get with the names you give Obama, the less supporting information you have for your rants? Distraction technique?

[fd8IIys2]

People who give others "clever" (and I use that adjective very sarcastically) nicknames to insult another always remind me of Prothero from V for Vendetta. I find this is apparent for people referring to Obama, Bush, Limbaugh, Olberman, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or myself...

its just a stupid tactic if you ask me, there are far more intelligent and effective methods to discredit people who you disagree with...unless you cannot discredit them.


By the way, my own little conspiracy theory about Patton is that Harry Truman had him killed. Truman was a butthead.

[SzefciuCba]

People who give others "clever" (and I use that adjective very sarcastically) nicknames to insult another always remind me of Prothero from V for Vendetta. I find this is apparent for people referring to Obama, Bush, Limbaugh, Olberman, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or myself...

its just a stupid tactic if you ask me, there are far more intelligent and effective methods to discredit people who you disagree with...unless you cannot discredit them.


By the way, my own little conspiracy theory about Patton is that Harry Truman had him killed. Truman was a butthead.

Oh, get off your high horse "Breakable" wind...

[ibiDb4uu]

Just for you Seasons. I also have a question for you. Ok lets, say that after his presidency, or heck before that if we are lucky. That it IS proven or comes out he wasn't a LEGAL U.S. BORN CITIZEN to be elegible for presidency, so ALL the ORDERS, ALL the BILLS HE PASSED, etc, etc, etc, ALL becomes NULL and VOID. So with that, also explain to me WHY he has his records SEALED, or issues about his birth certificate PRIOR to his election if he has NOTHING TO HIDE? It dosn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. As far as my feelings, well I have a Full Bird, a company commander and several officers, NCO's and other enlisted who have the same thoughts and beliefs as I. Many are not outspoken about it too much, but had voiced thier opinins and beliefs. Also, if you think I am the only soldier in the U.S. military who thinks the same as I, and is going to do something ordered against U.S. citizens, (guess you felt Kent State was justified for killing of unarmed students right?), because our leader supports Muslim Radicals and not U.S. Citizens or soldiers. If you think otherwise, look at his friends and company he is keeping. Guess that was the reason he passed a bill last year to use Foreign Troops for Martial Law in the U.S.? Because he knows, he will lose at least 70-80% of the U.S. forces that will NOT go against U.S. citizens.

Guess when there is an order for you to round up citizens or kill your own mother, father or other family members, etc when they are UNARMED, or even another U.S. soldier doing it, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with it right? Don't renig your answer on this one because it could be an ORDER for you or other soldier to do so. So you think about that one!

Here is something else for you as well. I am sure if you have doubts, you can research O-Dumbos addresses and SSN's and can see for yourself just like I did!

Did O-Dumbo use different Social Security Numbers? Is that one of the reasons he wants his records sealed because he COMMITED IDENTITY THEFT?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2442166/posts

Private investigator Neil Sankey, using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Barack Obama’s name.

However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: "Barak Obama," "Batock Obama," "Barok Obama," and "Barrack Obama." There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name.

Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.

In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042, and one starting 364.

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999, which are not valid SSNs.

There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.

In Massachusetts -- where Obama attended Harvard Law School -- we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.

This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name.

Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427

Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456.

Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799.

Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999.

Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as "Barry Obama." One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762.

In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers: 579, 420, and 423.

In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675.

There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania.

All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled "Barack Obama." In some cases, the middle initial "H" is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: "Barac," "Barak," and "Barrack" Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.

Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.

Extracted from an article by Steve Baldwin. Read the whole thing here . . .

Susan Daniels, a second investigator filed an affidavit, with true and correct copies here, in the Barnett v. Obama case. Susan Daniels is a private investigator, licensed by the State of Ohio.

In her affidavit, Daniels states that she has located Barack Obama's Social Security Number. She states it was issued between 1977 and 1979 in the State of Connecticut. She states that it is the only Social Security Number Barack Obama ever used.

The number assigned to Barack Obama "appears to be associated with someone born in the year 1890."

[KacypeJeope]

Just for you Seasons. I also have a question for you. Ok lets, say that after his presidency, or heck before that if we are lucky. That it IS proven or comes out he wasn't a LEGAL U.S. BORN CITIZEN to be elegible for presidency, so ALL the ORDERS, ALL the BILLS HE PASSED, etc, etc, etc, ALL becomes NULL and VOID. So with that, also explain to me WHY he has his records SEALED, or issues about his birth certificate PRIOR to his election if he has NOTHING TO HIDE? It dosn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together. As far as my feelings, well I have a Full Bird, a company commander and several officers, NCO's and other enlisted who have the same thoughts and beliefs as I. Many are not outspoken about it too much, but had voiced thier opinins and beliefs. Also, if you think I am the only soldier in the U.S. military who thinks the same as I, and is going to do something ordered against U.S. citizens, (guess you felt Kent State was justified for killing of unarmed students right?), because our leader supports Muslim Radicals and not U.S. Citizens or soldiers. If you think otherwise, look at his friends and company he is keeping. Guess that was the reason he passed a bill last year to use Foreign Troops for Martial Law in the U.S.? Because he knows, he will lose at least 70-80% of the U.S. forces that will NOT go against U.S. citizens.

Guess when there is an order for you to round up citizens or kill your own mother, father or other family members, etc when they are UNARMED, or even another U.S. soldier doing it, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with it right? Don't renig your answer on this one because it could be an ORDER for you or other soldier to do so. So you think about that one!

Work on your reading comprehension skills, for the love of god. Do you even know what a LAWFUL ORDER is?

Epic fail, HardlyMan. Epic fail.

[ZenDers]

Work on your reading comprehension skills, for the love of god. Do you even know what a LAWFUL ORDER is?

Epic fail, HardlyMan. Epic fail.

I know exactly what a LAWFUL ORDER is. You didn't bother to ANSWER MY QUESTION to you?

If YOU WERE ORDERED to kill your mother, father, brother, sister or other family members because the pseudeo president or your commander told you so, WOULD YOU DO IT, after all IT WOULD BE A DIRECT ORDER, so let the rest of us KNOW YOUR ANSWER!

[limpoporanique]

I know exactly what a LAWFUL ORDER is. You didn't bother to ANSWER MY QUESTION to you?

If YOU WERE ORDERED to kill your mother, father, brother, sister or other family members because the pseudeo president or your commander told you so, WOULD YOU DO IT, after all IT WOULD BE A DIRECT ORDER, so let the rest of us KNOW YOUR ANSWER!

A direct order, yes...but that is not a lawful order...unless you family are members of Al Queda or something like that and you are on a battlefield.

[Necedofer]

I know exactly what a LAWFUL ORDER is. You didn't bother to ANSWER MY QUESTION to you?

If YOU WERE ORDERED to kill your mother, father, brother, sister or other family members because the pseudeo president or your commander told you so, WOULD YOU DO IT, after all IT WOULD BE A DIRECT ORDER, so let the rest of us KNOW YOUR ANSWER!

Because I doubt you understood VW's response, I'll reiterate it in small words (not).

The killing of unarmed non-combatants (and unarmed combatants IE: prisoners) violates international rules of combat as well as our own. Therefore, such an order would be unlawful.

If my family members were actively attacking the nation or its defenders, then yes, I would provided they were armed. If unarmed but still an active/identifiable threat, I would follow the Use of Force models for what to do.

Lemme guess, Hardly. Even if your brother (for sake of argument, presumption is made that you even have one) were about to shoot the sitting President in the head, you would disobey an order to take him out? Such is the vein of your argument. Such inaction would then translate to you being a traitor, as per legal definitions, because your actions/inactions were a direct cause of the death of one of your commanders through providing assistence to the enemy.

Please, try and argue this one.

[lopushok]

Because I doubt you understood VW's response, I'll reiterate it in small words (not).

The killing of unarmed non-combatants (and unarmed combatants IE: prisoners) violates international rules of combat as well as our own. Therefore, such an order would be unlawful.

If my family members were actively attacking the nation or its defenders, then yes, I would provided they were armed. If unarmed but still an active/identifiable threat, I would follow the Use of Force models for what to do.

Lemme guess, Hardly. Even if your brother (for sake of argument, presumption is made that you even have one) were about to shoot the sitting President in the head, you would disobey an order to take him out? Such is the vein of your argument. Such inaction would then translate to you being a traitor, as per legal definitions, because your actions/inactions were a direct cause of the death of one of your commanders through providing assistence to the enemy.

Please, try and argue this one.

Hey Shitsen, first of all who said anything about my brother, or anyone shooting the president? Guess you read what you want and decipher what you want. I was refering to UNARMED citizens. Wait let me get that definition for you;

UNARMED:
1.
a. Lacking weapons or armor; defenseless.
b. Not carrying, using, or displaying arms: an unarmed spotter plane; unarmed robbery.
2. Biology Having no thorns, spines, teeth, claws, or other protective parts.

CITIZEN:
Main Entry: cit·i·zen
Pronunciation: \ˈsi-tə-zən also -sən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English citizein, from Anglo-French citezein, alteration of citeien, from cité city
Date: 14th century
1 : an inhabitant of a city or town; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman
2 a : a member of a state b : a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it
3 : a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state

— cit·i·zen·ly \-zən-lē also -sən-\ adjective


So AGAIN, LET ME MAKE THIS QUESTION PLAINLY FOR YOU.

Ok, lets make a SENERIO, lets say your commander gave you an order that was sent down from Bozo O-Dumbo and your family members were protesting with a group without weapons, but yet it was ORDERED for you to kill everyone protesting, including you family. So even though it is UNLAWFUL to kill UNARMED CIVILIANS, but yet, YOUR COMMANDER PASSED an ORDER TO YOU from Bozo O-Dumbo.

So what you REALLY MEAN is you would DO IT because it was ordered for you to do it, or YOU could be faced with DISOBEYING a DIRECT ORDER, RIGHT?

You have a good day slopping on O-Dumbo's pop like the rest of his followers.

You can say what you want because he was elected, there has been plenty of evidence that he IS NOT a LEGAL U.S. born citizen, COMMITTED IDENTITY THEFT, SUPPORTS RADICAL MUSLIMS, You are probably going to call it conspiracy theory, but it is funny that when the truth is pointed out that is the first thing the left$hits claim; "Oh that is just conspiracy theory".

You can say what you want, you just better figure out why Bozo felt the need to pass a bill in August last yera to use foriegn troops for Martial Law in the U.S. as there is plenty of armed forces service members and law enforcement to handle any situation here in the U.S., so you might want to investigate that and ask yourself, WHY and what is the need for foriegn troops for the U.S.? And if you don't believe that then you spent too much time under a rock sniffing Muslim $hit!

[machpamb]

Hey Shitsen,

Hope you or ANYONE in your family doesn't have a 401K retirement plan! Your boyfriend and his Nazis are going to try and seize it!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36823

Oh wait Shitsen, I am sorry, must be another "Conspiracy Theory"

[Maphpseurse]

HarleyMan, I think you have slipped off the deep end.

[Gudronich]

Hey Shitsen, first of all who said anything about my brother, or anyone shooting the president? Guess you read what you want and decipher what you want. I was refering to UNARMED citizens. Wait let me get that definition for you;

Creative nickname, have to give you kudos for that. Unfortunately it also violates Community Guidelines. Enjoy the results.

Love how you focused on that and completely skipped my answer to your question as a way to try and skip answering my own question.

UNARMED:
1.
a. Lacking weapons or armor; defenseless.
b. Not carrying, using, or displaying arms: an unarmed spotter plane; unarmed robbery.
2. Biology Having no thorns, spines, teeth, claws, or other protective parts.

CITIZEN:
Main Entry: cit·i·zen
Pronunciation: \ˈsi-tə-zən also -sən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English citizein, from Anglo-French citezein, alteration of citeien, from cité city
Date: 14th century
1 : an inhabitant of a city or town; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman
2 a : a member of a state b : a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it
3 : a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state

— cit·i·zen·ly \-zən-lē also -sən-\ adjective You need to learn to read.


So AGAIN, LET ME MAKE THIS QUESTION PLAINLY FOR YOU. Already answered it, but I'll humor you.

Ok, lets make a SENERIO (its senario), lets say your commander gave you an order that was sent down from Bozo O-Dumbo and your family members were protesting with a group without weapons, but yet it was ORDERED for you to kill everyone protesting, including you family. So even though it is UNLAWFUL to kill UNARMED CIVILIANS, but yet, YOUR COMMANDER PASSED an ORDER TO YOU from Bozo O-Dumbo. Unlawful = will not follow the order. Are you truly this thick or slow?

So what you REALLY MEAN is you would DO IT because it was ordered for you to do it, or YOU could be faced with DISOBEYING a DIRECT ORDER, RIGHT? You're very incapable of understanding the English language, aren't you? Should I try it in German? Spanish? Enochian?

You can say what you want because he was elected, there has been plenty of evidence that he IS NOT a LEGAL U.S. born citizen, COMMITTED IDENTITY THEFT, SUPPORTS RADICAL MUSLIMS, You are probably going to call it conspiracy theory, but it is funny that when the truth is pointed out that is the first thing the left$hits claim; "Oh that is just conspiracy theory". Allow me to burst your bubble. Evidence is interpreted to derive fact. Please tell me where fact has been derived in a valid, legal setting that has the standing to have any impact besides the radical ramblings of a select few people who have failed time and time again to convince a single court in the nation that they are correct?

As for supporting radical muslims, just what is it you're so terribly misinterpreting this time as said support? His policies seeking greater understanding with them?

You can say what you want, you just better figure out why Bozo felt the need to pass a bill in August last yera to use foriegn troops for Martial Law in the U.S. as there is plenty of armed forces service members and law enforcement to handle any situation here in the U.S., so you might want to investigate that and ask yourself, WHY and what is the need for foriegn troops for the U.S.? Status of Forces Agreements. You forget that we are, in fact, part of the UN. As such, under certain circumstances, the UN can send Peacekeeping forces into the US in order to restore order. As to us having plenty of Armed Forces servicemembers, you need to research the limits we are under for taking action on our own soil against our own citizens, even for the purpose of peacekeeping.

And if you don't believe that then you spent too much time under a rock sniffing Muslim $hit! While I've enjoyed talking to you, I'm afraid you've gone too far off your rocker to bother dealing with anymore. Ciao.