[ZanazaKar]

here is the source


hopefully there will be some improvements with sony's high iso noise issues. and i hope just like all the sony dslrs it will have a competitive (aggressive) price.



looks like a pretty massive camera :-)

[GooogleGuy]

Holy massive camera! Looks like the thing on the bottom just replicates all the buttons to make it easier to use when rotated 90 degrees(?). Are those things common? I've never seen one before (granted I haven't looked either).

[valensds]

Holy massive camera! Looks like the thing on the bottom just replicates all the buttons to make it easier to use when rotated 90 degrees(?).

yes [yes] its the vertical grip [yes]
it can be detached. but still it looks like a beefy camera (like most full frame sensor dslrs)

[Logaleta]

Holy massive camera! Looks like the thing on the bottom just replicates all the buttons to make it easier to use when rotated 90 degrees(?). Are those things common? I've never seen one before (granted I haven't looked either).

They usually allow for extra batteries as well.

[PetrZimin]

To get any real use at all from the extra megapixels compared to current DSLRs, then it will need some pretty high quality glass, thats for sure.

[Qauunet]

is this a competitior to the EOS 1d mkiii?

looks damn impressive either way

[Carfanate]

is this a competitior to the EOS 1d mkiii?

looks damn impressive either way

its supposed to be but, i am expecting (only hoping) a much more aggressive pricing from sony compared to canon. at least until they secure their place in the dslr market. But still a full frame dslr will be way more expensive then what most of us will be willing to pay for a camera. for now sony dslr's rely on either zeiss lenses or the prime lenses from the previous minolta maxxum's. but it wouldn't be unrealistic to expect sony to release 2 or 3 more very high quality and expensive lenses.


i am more interested in the new cmos sensors and how they handle noise in higher iso's as i am expecting sony to use the same type of cmos sensor with their new replacement dslr's. (current ccd based sony dslr's aren't that great @ handling higher iso's ie. 1600 and 3200).

[letmelogin]

This is where the midrange market is heading.

Price will likely be between $1500-$2200 USD for all the offerings from Sony, Canon, and Nikon. With Canon offering something along the lines of a 5D Mk. II

Nice-looking bit of kit. Hopefully Sony learned a few things about lowering noise on their sensors, because their offerings so far have failed to impress. And if the rumor mill is true and this is a 24MP sensor, then the noise could get worse.

[addisonnicogel]

This is where the midrange market is heading.

Price will likely be between $1500-$2200 USD for all the offerings from Sony, Canon, and Nikon. With Canon offering something along the lines of a 5D Mk. II

Nice-looking bit of kit. Hopefully Sony learned a few things about lowering noise on their sensors, because their offerings so far have failed to impress. And if the rumor mill is true and this is a 24MP sensor, then the noise could get worse.

Actually, not really.

The 24MP seems like a lot, but a quick calculation reveals that 24MP at full frame is the same pixel density that their 12MP APS-C is (in the A700). So, at worst, the noise will be no better than the a700; but it certainly won't be worse.

However, as technology gets better, I would still expect this camera to be better than anything else Sony is offering. They have had alot of time to work on cameras and perfect technology, with it being about a year since their a700 release. Sony has a huge sensor division, and has been making them for some time.. i have a feeling that they are only getting better with time.[thumbup]

[moopierof]

It's not about the pixel density, but rather the size of the pixels and the sensor. Is the sensor larger? Are the pixels larger? If so then the noise could be better, otherwise we are looking at a poorer performer.

[anxpuna]

My holy mars bar....That thing is huge
I like the look of it.....but I still like my A200 too

[overavantstandard]

It's not about the pixel density, but rather the size of the pixels and the sensor. Is the sensor larger? Are the pixels larger? If so then the noise could be better, otherwise we are looking at a poorer performer.

Umm.. that was precisely what I was getting at. The pixel density means they are the same size as each other. Of course the sensor is larger - it is a full frame vs. an APS-C sized.

And to be fair, it isn't just all about all about the size of the pixels. APS-C cameras of today have far better ISO performance than previous cameras, despite having more, smaller pixels. Advantages in better technology are allowing smaller pixels with cleaner readings, and I have no doubt this FF sensor will also allow that.

[gennickhif]

My point is that the megapixel craze is a marketing gimmick. They would have been much better off developing the camera at 20, 18, 15mp even and worked on getting the pixels larger and the sensor a bit better than cramming a 25mp camera down the consumers throat. But most consumers wont know the difference and think they are better off.

[CowextetleSix]

My point is that the megapixel craze is a marketing gimmick. They would have been much better off developing the camera at 20, 18, 15mp even and worked on getting the pixels larger and the sensor a bit better than cramming a 25mp camera down the consumers throat. But most consumers wont know the difference and think they are better off.

I can agree in the terms of a P&S, but i must disagree for dSLR, assuming they do keep the images clean. Extra resolution is never a bad thing - it allows you more cropping (especially in this case, since you can get a nice exact APS-C 12MP crop out of this sensor) or just more detail. More MP is only a bad thing when image quality is sacrificed; in this case, I am not convinced users will be trading off IQ.

Admittedly, this sensor may out-resolve many of the lenses out there, and may lead to disappointment by some folks. The primo (in the Minolta/Sony case, "G" and "CZ" lenses) will be ok, but users will see a big difference in the cheap glass.

[jurhoonee]

AFAIK Sony has high iso problems, and would be better suited to address that first. Now, the camera hasn't been released yet so I guess I am speculating. Where does the A900 fit in versus Canon 5d, 40d, ect. The A200 is an entry level camera, the a700 cant compete with the 30d/40d in iso either, and if all they did was increase the sensor size how can they compete with Canon. I stand by my statement that they are using the pixel count as marketing hype, unless this camera is a completely different beast altogether.

[Tamawaipsemek]

AFAIK Sony has high iso problems, and would be better suited to address that first. Now, the camera hasn't been released yet so I guess I am speculating. Where does the A900 fit in versus Canon 5d, 40d, ect. The A200 is an entry level camera, the a700 cant compete with the 30d/40d in iso either, and if all they did was increase the sensor size how can they compete with Canon. I stand by my statement that they are using the pixel count as marketing hype, unless this camera is a completely different beast altogether.

Well, as an a700 owner, I can say the a700 can easily compete - check again...

Anyway, I don't see the point in arguing. You don't understand anything I am saying (pixel size does not determine everything, and more MP can be good and useful). This camera will be a different beast..

[nofkayalk]

This is where the midrange market is heading.

Price will likely be between $1500-$2200 USD for all the offerings from Sony, Canon, and Nikon. With Canon offering something along the lines of a 5D Mk. II

Nice-looking bit of kit. Hopefully Sony learned a few things about lowering noise on their sensors, because their offerings so far have failed to impress. And if the rumor mill is true and this is a 24MP sensor, then the noise could get worse.

I was going to metion the D5, glad you did. With a full frame sensor, noise should be less of an issue.

[Scukonaher]

Well, as an a700 owner, I can say the a700 can easily compete - check again...

Anyway, I don't see the point in arguing. You don't understand anything I am saying (pixel size does not determine everything, and more MP can be good and useful). This camera will be a different beast..

I never said that pixel size means everything. I said they would have been better off with larger pixels, less resolution. You may not want to admit it, but pixel size has a huge influence on ISO sensitivity.

I'm still interested to see what comes of this camera. If the performance is good and the prices stays low, it can be a really big hit, Especially since Canons competing products haven't had a big upgrade in MP in a long time. You have to go to a 10k camera to get those kind of MP's!

EDIT: Anyway, the A700 does look like a decent camera. That being said, there still is quite a bit of talk of higher iso performance issues. Too bad all the dslr's didn't utilize the 4/3's spec, then we wouldn't have to worry about taking our lenses to the next big thing.

No hard feelings......

[VEGLAS - SPB]

i believe with this sensor noise will be less of an issue with sony camera's this isnt the same cmos sensor that they used on a700's and it definitely is not same with the ccd sensors they used on their entry level dslr's.


considering sony is now also making the sensors for the nikon camera's and, considering how much better nikon is with their noise levels at high iso's, this time sony might be making something really impressive.

the camera should be out late this month or early september so we'll know what it can do very soon.


sony's current line a200/300/350 definitely is one of the worst performers at iso1600/3200 (well most of entry level dslrs from other manufacturers don't offer iso3200 anyway) but that doesn't mean they are as bad as digital cameras. they are still miles ahead of digital cameras at those iso's just not looking as clean as competitors products. but their iso1600 shots are almost as usable as any other brand with a little bit more visible noise.


also keep in mind recently revealed nikon d700 does more then impressive job with high iso's and even iso12800. (max iso of 25600) doing a much better job then any canon offerings at same iso levels. is said to be using a full frame sensor developed by sony. (or with sony).

[anenselog]

For this to sell Sony are going to have to be agressive on price ie lower than both the Nikon D700 & Canon 5DMkII or 7D or whatever they going to call it.

Otherwise people wanting go full frame will either choose Nikon or Canon mainly because of the selection full frame glass starting from under £100

Rumor has it it going to sell body only for around £2500, way to much in my book as you can pick up a D700 & lens for this price.