[tgs]

Something isn't right with hose front wings on the ferrari, they flex way too much and not in a good way.To me they look like a few more flexings from breaking off and creating a terrible situation.
The Scrutineers cleared them last night. but the way they are flexing and bouncing off the track can't be right
something needs to be done before something awful happens.

[Hervams]

Its obvious they've tried to get the wings to flex like Red Bull but overdone it somewhat lol. I'm sure theres a few faces that match their shirts over this one, but then again its supposed to be a development sport and its good to see them testing new parts.

[Enjknsua]

Going back to an older wing according to BBC coverage

[Biassasecumma]

Something isn't right with hose front wings on the ferrari, they flex way too much and not in a good way.To me they look like a few more flexings from breaking off and creating a terrible situation.
The Scrutineers cleared them last night. but the way they are flexing and bouncing off the track can't be right
something needs to be done before something awful happens.

Flexible parts do not break easily, in fact are less susceptible to break at yield stress than rigid parts.

[Blolover11]

Q: did they get hold of the front wing from the redbull when webber crashed the way they were talking on bbc tonight that's what i got from it

[Biassasecumma]

Q: did they get hold of the front wing from the redbull when webber crashed the way they were talking on bbc tonight that's what i got from it

Who got hold of it? Ferrari? That would be stealing.

[vulikox]

Flexible parts do not break easily, in fact are less susceptible to break at yield stress than rigid parts.

Depends whether or not they've been designed to flex in that manner. They are flexing, certainly, but is that deliberate? The fact that they're reverting to an older wing for qually and the race suggests otherwise.

[vulikox]

Q: did they get hold of the front wing from the redbull when webber crashed the way they were talking on bbc tonight that's what i got from it

Brundle was recounting a story which by admission was (at best) third-hand that the wing had been spirited away from Monza. The rest was conjecture and he said as much in the broadcast.

That said, conspiracy theories have been based on far flakier "evidence"

[Biassasecumma]

Depends whether or not they've been designed to flex in that manner. They are flexing, certainly, but is that deliberate? The fact that they're reverting to an older wing for qually and the race suggests otherwise.

They sure designed them to flex.
Even if the excessive flexing wasn't meant by design the danger for it to break is minimal. The biggest danger they have to deal with is unpredictable front end stability in turns.
In the end the question is if the excessive flexing is good or bad for their performance, and I guess it didn't do them as much good as they expected.

[vulikox]

They sure designed them to flex.

I was not aware that you were privvy to Ferrari design meetings. I stand corrected.

[Biassasecumma]

I was not aware that you were privvy to Ferrari design meetings. I stand corrected.

It was about time.

[Adollobdeb]

They are desperate (Fred) but i´m afraid that he won´t get another WDC next year. Interesting.

[vulikox]

There's a good explanation of Massa's dilemma from Adam Cooper here:
Massa

Revert to the old "safe" wing and start from the pitlane, or try another flappy-dappy-hope-don't-snappy version and risk not finishing the race?

[Biassasecumma]

Looks like the snappy wing didn't snap contrary to the snappy suspension!
Anyway, as I said yesterday, flexible parts don't break easily. Adam Cooper should take some physics lessons.

[vulikox]

The BBC commentary suggested that they changed Massa's wing because it was flexing to the point that the FIA would have called them in, so maybe Adam Cooper and others have a bit more insight than you give them credit for.

[Biassasecumma]

The BBC commentary suggested that they changed Massa's wing because it was flexing to the point that the FIA would have called them in, so maybe Adam Cooper and others have a bit more insight than you give them credit for.

Nice try turning words around.
If the FIA told them to take it off is because they were bending, or do you have information that the FIA knew that the front wing was dangerous?
Or maybe you want to rewrite the laws of physics trying to prove me wrong?

Anyway, laughable tries Dave.

[vulikox]

Nice try turning words around.
If the FIA told them to take it off is because they were bending, or do you have information that the FIA knew that the front wing was dangerous?
Or maybe you want to rewrite the laws of physics trying to prove me wrong?

Anyway, laughable tries Dave.

Not at all laughable, when I clearly used the words "suggested" and "maybe". Unlike you I don't claim to know all the facts or make wild assumptions. What I do know is that Ferrari changed Massa's wing when it started oscillating again, which they wouldn't have done for no reason. It's a moot point anyway, as Massa failed to learn from his qualifying error and destroyed another suspension on the kerbs.

[12dargernswearf]

Looks like the snappy wing didn't snap contrary to the snappy suspension!
Anyway, as I said yesterday, flexible parts don't break easily. Adam Cooper should take some physics lessons.

The vibration would be the worry rather than the static flex I think.

[Grarypealumma]

Looks like the snappy wing didn't snap contrary to the snappy suspension!
Anyway, as I said yesterday, flexible parts don't break easily. Adam Cooper should take some physics lessons.

Correct

They're not flexing the right way. The load is resonating the front wing.

Analysis: Ferraris Front Wing Flutter « Scarbsf1's Blog

[Biassasecumma]

Not at all laughable, when I clearly used the words "suggested" and "maybe". Unlike you I don't claim to know all the facts or make wild assumptions.

That didn't stop you from taking the usual high horse while basing your claim on a journo's claim.
And unlike you and your journo I do have a lot of scientific knowledge in material science, but then again when has knowledge meant anything around here.