[enurneAcourdy]

As above really, who's put their names down to be the 13th team in 2011?

The only ones I've heard of are Durango/Villeneuve and Epsilon.

[ljq0AYOV]

I hope both make it in. One of my all time favorites is sergio rinland. I think a very very underrated engineer.

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

Considering that both Virgin and HRT may be on the skids there will be a neccessity for THREE new teams.

The FIA have tightened up the asessement process considerably in financial and experience terms.

I would rather have a third car from those big teams that want to rather than more time wasters.

[PPActionnGuys]

Cypher Group apparently.

[blodwarttufla]

When is the decision made, the new potentials are running out of time, if they are to be better prepared than this years new boys.

[clubcughSheet]

As above really, who's put their names down to be the 13th team in 2011?

The only ones I've heard of are Durango/Villeneuve and Epsilon.

It's those two and Stefan GP. All other potential applicants pulled out.

[VonErmad4]

Cypher Group apparently.

Not anymore:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85699

[VonErmad4]

When is the decision made, the new potentials are running out of time, if they are to be better prepared than this years new boys.

No one wants them to be well prepared, sadly.

[enurneAcourdy]

I would rather have a third car from those big teams that want to rather than more time wasters.

Hmm... Third cars is an idea that sounds good but probably won't work. The team orders and arguments are bad enough with two cars.

Epsilon possibly should have got the entry last year, so I wouldn't mind them having a chance.

I'm a bit surprised that Virgin are struggling if that's true. I still reckon both HRT and Virgin will be there next year.

[enurneAcourdy]

It's those two and Stefan GP. All other potential applicants pulled out.

Are Stefan GP still wanting to use the 2010 Toyotas?

Even if it's not a great car by next year's standards, chances are it'll be close to the midfield at least.

If not I can't see them building a decent car, as I'm not 100% sure that they even have a factory.

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

Hmm... Third cars is an idea that sounds good but probably won't work. The team orders and arguments are bad enough with two cars.

I'm a bit surprised that Virgin are struggling if that's true. I still reckon both HRT and Virgin will be there next year.

Your first point makes me chuckle

On Virgin it depends if Bernie is privy to Branson becoming disenchanted. The VA chief has given the team three years and for the first time, in Hungary, it was a Virgin that was the quickest of the new teams - Glockenspiel.

Nick Wirth is confident that they will gain around 20% more in downforce and begin to challenge the slow end of the rest of the grid - I cant remember of this was by the end of the season or for the 2011 car.

[ViagraFeller]

IMO 3 car teams would be a slippery slope to the death of F1. Its already a top eight lock out almost every week by the same cars, make it 3 to a team and there would be next to no hope of Williams, Force India, Torro etc ever scoring a single point. That would almost certainly lead to those teams shutting up shop meaning the remainder would run 4 cars. As I say slippery slope.

As for the applicants, the FIA do seem to want to make life difficult. Its August FFS! How are these teams meant to build a team and a car with any hope of being on a par with even this years new entries with so little lead time? Its a joke.

[blodwarttufla]

They should have made the decision long before now.

[Vobomei]

Third cars would just pave the way for teams to control races in a more false manner IMO. Two cars collecting the points while a third holds up the rest of the field is not something I would care to watch from any team.

[HotDolly]

Im just waiting for LdM to come out with his "told you so, now let us run a 3rd car" BS, what a joke that would be. the big teams running 3 cars will be the final nail in the coffin for Formula 1, fans will turn away in their droves if we see 12 car precessions at the front from 4 teams hogging all the points positions while the likes of Williams, Force India, Toro Rosso, Sauber and (to an extent) Renault all suffer.

F1 needed these new teams in the sport, sure they may be off the pace but lets not forget, one of them had to build a team and a car in just 5 months, another had a late takeover and were provided a horrible car by Dallara and the others are still experimenting their 100% CFD design methods. They are a credit to the sport for even attempting to take the plunge despite meagre resources and next to no time to put things together and next season, with a years worth of work under their belts, they should be a lot closer to the more established outfits and hopefully scoring points.

But they are basically fighting a losing battle when it comes to earning respect from fellow teams and that is what the need most so they can be left alone to get themselves to a level of competitiveness without being constantly haranged and questionned by the likes of LdM and Bernie. Firstly at the moment, they're beign criticised for being too slow which is a bit stupid considering the circumstances but imagine what it would have been like if they came in and were quick out of the blocks (a-la BrawnGP last year), the complaints fromt he established teams about how they thought the cars did not comply with the regulations would he huge.

We are currently experiencing one of the greatest F1 seasons in living memory, dont try to fix it by becoming elitist.

[Percocetti]

When is the decision supposed to be made? USF1 pulled out ages ago, it's not really fair on the remaining teams to keep wavering when they could be preparing. Had they decided sooner we might even have had ART next year, now we won't even have Cypher.

[HotDolly]

When is the decision supposed to be made? USF1 pulled out ages ago, it's not really fair on the remaining teams to keep wavering when they could be preparing. Had they decided sooner we might even have had ART next year, now we won't even have Cypher.

If the selection process was for 2012 rather than 2011, it would make a hell of a lot more sense and more applicants would have been interested.

As for the decision, I think we'll get it on Belgian GP weekend

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

IMO 3 car teams would be a slippery slope to the death of F1. Its already a top eight lock out almost every week by the same cars, make it 3 to a team and there would be next to no hope of Williams, Force India, Torro etc ever scoring a single point. That would almost certainly lead to those teams shutting up shop meaning the remainder would run 4 cars. As I say slippery slope.

As for the applicants, the FIA do seem to want to make life difficult. Its August FFS! How are these teams meant to build a team and a car with any hope of being on a par with even this years new entries with so little lead time? Its a joke.

Not instead of but if there is no compatitive new team then why not allow Ferrari for example to run a third car for Raikkonen at Spa for example?

Kimi is the Spa Meister in the same way that Clark was and it would be a superb stratgic play to prevent the almost certainty that an RB6 will dominate there.

This is a conundrum but the most important thing is at least to prevent any new team from being like HRT.

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

Third cars would just pave the way for teams to control races in a more false manner IMO. Two cars collecting the points while a third holds up the rest of the field is not something I would care to watch from any team.

Not much of a fan of f1 are you then? What do you think - that f1 is this sweetness and light brotherly competitive sport and its the competition that counts not who wins including which driver IN a team?

[enurneAcourdy]

Not much of a fan of f1 are you then? What do you think - that f1 is this sweetness and light brotherly competitive sport and its the competition that counts not who wins including which driver IN a team?

He's right though. Don't kid yourself, there are many occasions where teams would employ these tactics, and then just claim the guy holding up the pack just was 'struggling with the tyres'.

Just to add, Di Montezemolo is an idiot and his constant crying and selfishness is pitiful from a man in such an important position.