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**QQQQQ-Trek** · 07-25-2010, 11:32 PM

Ok, Ferrari should be punished we can all agree that Ferrari need to be penalized. Alonso too, for pretty much requesting it.

But should Massa be penalized too?
After all he did chose to yield his place to Alonso.

Thoughts?

(Poll please pino)

**bestonline** · 07-25-2010, 11:35 PM

On balance, yes he should if he lied to the stewards in the same way he just did to the TV cameras.

**retyopj** · 07-25-2010, 11:36 PM

they should all be put on probation (we all know what that means

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**Lebybynctisee** · 07-25-2010, 11:36 PM

Unless he owns up, then yes, he should be. Immunity IF AND ONLY IF he admits what happened openly.

**Licacivelip** · 07-25-2010, 11:37 PM

I think that Fernando has something in his contracts which quite literally forces his opponent to roll over and play dead when Massa's just in front of him

**retyopj** · 07-25-2010, 11:39 PM

what, a Schumi-clause ?

**VonErmad4** · 07-25-2010, 11:41 PM

Yes, he did take part in an illegal fixing of the race result.

**DialOne** · 07-25-2010, 11:43 PM

Ok, Ferrari should be punished we can all agree that Ferrari need to be penalized.

No, we can't agree. No one should be punished. If we have stupid team orders rule then we have to deal with such situations.

**QQQQQ-Trek** · 07-25-2010, 11:45 PM

If we have stupid team orders rule then we have to deal with such situations.

There is a rule forbidding team orders...

**retyopj** · 07-25-2010, 11:48 PM

No, we can't agree. No one should be punished. If we have stupid team orders rule then we have to deal with such situations.

Ferrari should be put on probation and the rule clarified for the next race

**vulikox** · 07-25-2010, 11:54 PM

Ferrari should lose all the points they scored this season so far and forced to restart everything, unless the punishment is severe this is going to happen again and again.they have no rules and regulations..another thing confirmed that the ladyboy alonso is never capable competing against decently faster team mate .

**vulikox** · 07-25-2010, 11:55 PM

Yes, he did take part in an illegal fixing of the race result.

agreed 101% mate.

**Licacivelip** · 07-25-2010, 11:56 PM

why should Massa be punished

just ask Rubens , it can't be nice being a lapdog to anyone...def will be a better punishment than any the FIA can give out

**DialOne** · 07-26-2010, 12:13 AM

There is a rule forbidding team orders...

I'm not questioning the existence of that rule. All I say, that this rule is stupid. Team orders was, is and will be in F1. Always.
Every team is criticized for doing it. But Every team do this. Listening to Horner, who's asking for penalty for Ferrari is pathetic. He's hypocritical.

Of course it's not nice to watch but this is the reality. So, for all of us, be a man and let's stop complaining.

**DenisMoor** · 07-26-2010, 12:30 AM

Reality? The reality is, Ferrari deliberately broke a rule. Do team orders go on behind the scenes, of course they do but then the teams need to put a case together, stand up and get the rules changed. Until then, they are the lowest form of cheats.

**vulikox** · 07-26-2010, 12:30 AM

My decision to let Alonso pass- Massa says..
he should be punished for race fixing, we could have seena nice battle Massa Vs Alonso but were robbed of it, this atttiude of open team orders cannot go on anymore. exclude ferrari's from the championship at once is the best answer to this.

**vulikox** · 07-26-2010, 12:31 AM

Reality? The reality is, Ferrari deliberately broke a rule. Do team orders go on behind the scenes, of course they do but then the teams need to put a case together, stand up and get the rules changed. Until then, they are the lowest form of cheats.

well said mate.. you are absolutely RIGHT !!!

**iqxdvjgmat** · 07-26-2010, 02:52 AM

we could have seena nice battle Massa Vs Alonso but were robbed of it.

Very right !!!

**F1grandprix** · 07-26-2010, 03:17 AM

If it was horse racing definitely yes - not trying enough - but as it is F1 no as his employer left him no choice.

ojciec dyrektor - it doesn't matter if the rule is stupid, it is the rule. The no refuelling rule or the having to use both types of tyre might be stupid but they are the rules that everyone who has entered the Championship has signed up to.

WT

**DialOne** · 07-26-2010, 03:25 AM

I agree. All I'm saying is when there wasn't that rule teams were saying "let second driver through". Now, the only change, is that teams are saying "second driver is faster". That's not an order. That makes illusion that it's driver's decision and not an team orders.

I'm only trying to prove that it's stupid rule. There always will be team orders in F1 and every team do this.

07-25-2010, 11:32 PM	#1
QQQQQ-Trek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 659 Senior Member	Should Massa be punished? Ok, Ferrari should be punished we can all agree that Ferrari need to be penalized. Alonso too, for pretty much requesting it. But should Massa be penalized too? After all he did chose to yield his place to Alonso. Thoughts? (Poll please pino) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:35 PM	#2
bestonline Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	On balance, yes he should if he lied to the stewards in the same way he just did to the TV cameras. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:36 PM	#3
retyopj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	they should all be put on probation (we all know what that means ) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:36 PM	#4
Lebybynctisee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 587 Senior Member	Unless he owns up, then yes, he should be. Immunity IF AND ONLY IF he admits what happened openly. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:37 PM	#5
Licacivelip Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	I think that Fernando has something in his contracts which quite literally forces his opponent to roll over and play dead when Massa's just in front of him Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:39 PM	#6
retyopj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	what, a Schumi-clause ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:41 PM	#7
VonErmad4 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Yes, he did take part in an illegal fixing of the race result. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:43 PM	#8
DialOne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	Ok, Ferrari should be punished we can all agree that Ferrari need to be penalized. No, we can't agree. No one should be punished. If we have stupid team orders rule then we have to deal with such situations. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:45 PM	#9
QQQQQ-Trek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 659 Senior Member	If we have stupid team orders rule then we have to deal with such situations. There is a rule forbidding team orders... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:48 PM	#10
retyopj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	No, we can't agree. No one should be punished. If we have stupid team orders rule then we have to deal with such situations. Ferrari should be put on probation and the rule clarified for the next race Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:54 PM	#11
vulikox Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 638 Senior Member	Ferrari should lose all the points they scored this season so far and forced to restart everything, unless the punishment is severe this is going to happen again and again.they have no rules and regulations..another thing confirmed that the ladyboy alonso is never capable competing against decently faster team mate . Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:55 PM	#12
vulikox Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 638 Senior Member	Yes, he did take part in an illegal fixing of the race result. agreed 101% mate. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-25-2010, 11:56 PM	#13
Licacivelip Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 408 Senior Member	why should Massa be punished just ask Rubens , it can't be nice being a lapdog to anyone...def will be a better punishment than any the FIA can give out Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 12:13 AM	#14
DialOne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	There is a rule forbidding team orders... I'm not questioning the existence of that rule. All I say, that this rule is stupid. Team orders was, is and will be in F1. Always. Every team is criticized for doing it. But Every team do this. Listening to Horner, who's asking for penalty for Ferrari is pathetic. He's hypocritical. Of course it's not nice to watch but this is the reality. So, for all of us, be a man and let's stop complaining. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 12:30 AM	#15
DenisMoor Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 640 Senior Member	Reality? The reality is, Ferrari deliberately broke a rule. Do team orders go on behind the scenes, of course they do but then the teams need to put a case together, stand up and get the rules changed. Until then, they are the lowest form of cheats. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 12:31 AM	#17
vulikox Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 638 Senior Member	Reality? The reality is, Ferrari deliberately broke a rule. Do team orders go on behind the scenes, of course they do but then the teams need to put a case together, stand up and get the rules changed. Until then, they are the lowest form of cheats. well said mate.. you are absolutely RIGHT !!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 02:52 AM	#18
iqxdvjgmat Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 517 Senior Member	we could have seena nice battle Massa Vs Alonso but were robbed of it. Very right !!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 03:17 AM	#19
F1grandprix Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	If it was horse racing definitely yes - not trying enough - but as it is F1 no as his employer left him no choice. ojciec dyrektor - it doesn't matter if the rule is stupid, it is the rule. The no refuelling rule or the having to use both types of tyre might be stupid but they are the rules that everyone who has entered the Championship has signed up to. WT Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-26-2010, 03:25 AM	#20
DialOne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	I agree. All I'm saying is when there wasn't that rule teams were saying "let second driver through". Now, the only change, is that teams are saying "second driver is faster". That's not an order. That makes illusion that it's driver's decision and not an team orders. I'm only trying to prove that it's stupid rule. There always will be team orders in F1 and every team do this. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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