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Old 08-21-2012, 05:04 PM   #1
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This guy just called into the AJ show.....

He has his own radio show, and he said stuff like 'The hammer is about to fall'......'I dont like Obama'.........'I have purchased firearms'. The very next day he had Cops at his house. They took him to a mental hospital, BYPASSING due process.

The only way they would let him out, was if he signed forms to agree to get rid of his guns, and go through counseling.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48845


If you are an outspoken Christian in America, you need to be concerned. If you are an outspoken Christian in America who happens to be a gun owner, you need to be very concerned. And if you are a Christian gun owner who disagrees with the Progressive anti-Christian agenda in America and have a platform to inform others, you better believe that you are under intense scrutiny. Sound like paranoid propaganda? Read on.It’s one thing to say that there is a war against Christianity and an active agenda to disarm Americans, but it’s another thing altogether to watch it unfold, up close and personal. And yet another to actually document an insidious but effective tactic that is presently being used to silence and disarm Christians right here in America. In this report, I will expose a new tactic being used by the atheistic communist supporters of the Obama regime to silence Christian critics and to disarm them at the same time.
I might have never known about this had it not been for our nightly radio program, the Hagmann & Hagmann Report. In fact, our show played a minor role in the events that transpired. Jason Ergoff, a 28-year old web designer and graphics artist from Scranton, Pennsylvania, called in to our show last week to comment on current events, including how Christianity seems to be under attack in America and across the globe. From the statements made by the CEO of Chick Fil-A regarding traditional families as defined by the Bible to the resurgence of attacks on Christians across the Middle East as a result of the “Arab Spring,” we conversed about how Christians are in the crosshairs now more than any other time in recent history. We talked about Barack Hussein Obama’s role in what seems to be overt antagonism toward Christianity and Biblical principles. Mr. Ergoff’s input to our show was a rational and welcome discourse about the events we see unfolding.
Mr. Ergoff called our program before and has always been articulate and well informed. His call last week was equally articulate and without unnecessary emotion or hype, just like his previous calls. He made his points in a very well-reasoned, rational and non-threatening manner and said nothing with which we could disagree.
Through our dialogue that included off air correspondence, we were delighted to learn that Mr. Egroff himself is hosting his own weekly radio program called Revelation News Radio, a show that provides his analysis of current events through the prism of the Holy Bible. As he is just getting started, he did a few shows leading up his weekly slot, including a show on August 7, 2012, a day after he called our program as a guest. After his call to our program, we moved on, and our program concluded without incident. This is when events began to get very interesting, and go very wrong for Mr. Egroff.
Monitoring the watchmen

As Mr. Egroff was seated at his computer preparing to listen to our program that began at 8:00 p.m. on Wednesday, August 8, 2012, he received a telephone call from a man who identified himself as “Officer Steve” from the city of Scranton Police Department, who told Jason that he was calling just to check on him, to see if he was “alright.” Jason, who never heard of “Officer Steve,” or really understood the nature of the call, responded that he was fine and had no problems where he might need the police. He was taken off guard by the call and became uneasy, especially since the officer was elusive in providing a legitimate reason for the call.
While our broadcast was playing on Jason’s computer, he received another telephone call from a “restricted” number. It was “Officer Steve” again, although this time he was calling from the front porch of Mr. Ergoff’s house. The officer reintroduced himself, and asked Jason to turn on the porch light and step outside as he wanted to speak to him. Knowing that he had done nothing wrong, Jason complied with the officer’s request. As he stepped onto the porch, “Officer Steve” was there to meet him, accompanied by another law enforcement officer.
I should note that Jason Ergoff is not stupid or naive, and sensed that had he not complied with the officer’s request, things might have gotten ugly. “It was a matter of choosing my battles,” he told me, but he was still not quite ready for what happened next.
The officer told Jason that the Scranton Police Department received a telephone call from a “friend” living in New York City who claimed to be concerned about Jason’s mental health. This friend works as a physical therapy assistant at a large New York City hospital. It is important to note his “friend’s” professional position is well outside of the mental health practice.
According to the officer, Jason’s friend contacted his department, and claimed that he was “worried” about him, citing his recent talk about the Bible in general, Biblical prophecy in particular, and the role of the Obama regime in the larger picture detailed by prophecy. This “friend” has been listening to Jason’s calls to The Hagmann & Hagmann Report as well as Jason’s own recently started BTR radio show.
Additionally, Jason’s friend knew that he owns a couple of guns, none that are of much monetary value or the type people intent on doing harm would possess. Despite this, his friend expressed concern that Jason could possibly use the weapons in some nefarious manner. Based on Jason’s own admission, he rarely uses the guns to target practice and has little attachment to them. During my interview with Jason, he said that he did not care if he had a gun or not, they are simply not that important to him.
“You need to come with us”

The officer told Jason that he had to go with them based on a mental health complaint that originated solely from his friend, the physical therapist assistant in New York, who claimed that he was worried for Jason’s safety. At this point, Jason was under the control of the officers, and was not permitted to be alone as he entered his house to shut things down for the trip he was about to take.
The officers took Jason to the local hospital psychiatric ward for “evaluation.” For the next 18 hours, he was subjected to some of the most humiliating searches, probes, and questions by hospital personnel. Questions included those specific to his religious faith and what he thought about the government and Obama. Questions that were structured in such a manner that regardless of the answer, they would result in portraying him as a dangerous, gun-owning Christian zealot. All as a result of Jason expressing his non-violent, well reasoned, and articulate views on our show as well as his own. All ostensibly from the concern of one “friend” from another state and well over 100 miles away.
Jason Ergoff was indeed evaluated by two medical health professionals. Despite the manner in which Mr. Ergoff was picked-up, detained, probed, prodded and interviewed (some might call it an interrogation), he remained calm and did his best to comply. He believed that the medical professionals would find him in good mental health and realize that this was all a mistake. He could then use his experience to help others.
Christianity: the medical diagnosis of psychosis

Jason was indeed released after about 20 hours of evaluation. He was given his belt and shoelaces back, and all of his personal belongings taken from him upon admission. He was released without fanfare, without apology, and without explanation. But with little additional interaction, Jason was now labeled with the medical diagnosis of “psychosis” and urged to take medication that he states he does not need and does not want. Additionally, Jason was released under the condition that he gets rid of any and all firearms he owns and report to a crisis counseling center upon discharge.
This gets a bit more interesting when Jason, who felt it best to accommodate the evaluating doctors, reported to the crisis counseling center as instructed. Mr. Ergoff furnished the handful of paperwork to the crisis center worker who spent a few minutes looking over the documents. After a lengthy pause, she looked at Jason and made the following chilling observation as if it was a matter of routine: “So, you’re here because of your religious beliefs.” As Jason tells it, this was not a question, but a statement of fact.
As a career investigator, I’ve been exposed to people with mental health issues, and interviewed many. I know that it’s easy to be fooled, and that a person might appear normal, say the correct things, but then turn out to be a complete lunatic. I’ll admit that in Jason’s case, I expected to find just that scenario. I conducted a lengthy interview with Jason, asked him some very personal questions, and demanded to see documentation related to this incident. I was not about to get fooled by Jason or anyone else. To his credit, Mr. Ergoff complied with my every request and provided me with the hospital documentation I requested.
Watching the watchers who are watching the ‘watchmen’

After spending two days of constant research and investigation into his case alone, I must report here that there is something very wrong about this case, and it’s not Jason Ergoff. Despite the diagnosis of “psychosis,” he was permitted to keep his guns, at least for now. As for his “friend” who was so worried about his welfare, I’ve got his “number.” You see, one thing I did not tell Mr. Ergoff is that I was able to learn the identity of the man who turned him in as a threat to himself and society. I’ve tracked his IP addresses and his online activity. My investigation found that this is no ordinary case of someone being concerned about a friend’s welfare, but part of a larger agenda to silence the Christian conservatives and critics of this administration. I am holding that information and documentation closely, as I feel that Jason and perhaps others might need it when they come for his guns or even him once again.
By the way, the concerned friend showed just where his concern actually lies, and it certainly does not appear to be with Jason. That was clearly illustrated in a 3:00 a.m. phone call made to Jason by his friend, where he screamed at Jason for daring to mention the incident on our program, sans names, of course.
Lest you think this is an isolated case, I have since heard from five-(5) other individuals in different parts of the U.S. that this has happened to within the last thirty-(30) days. It appears the war against freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, openly professing one’s belief in God and the right to bear arms is now sufficient to earn you a medical diagnosis of “psychosis.”
Christian gun owners of America, be forewarned.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:27 PM   #2
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The fucking Marxist scum always employ the same MO to intimidate someone: someone (whose name we can't mention) said something not nice about you and [based entirely on our say so] now we're going to ask you a bunch of questions [that we have no business asking] and if you don't answer them we will charge you with being uncooperative and obviously having something to hide [from us].

The intimidation is designed to discourage calls to radio shows that are pro-Christian, pro-freedom, pro-guns and anti-government. In the short run, they will succeed in suppressing some. But in the long run, they will merely encourage communities to start talking one-on-one and avoid the airwaves entirely. My community is rural, 100% Christian and virtually all pro-gun hunters. Heck they still recite the Pledge at every town meeting. I will circulate the OPs article around the community - a little more gasoline on the smoldering fire can't hurt.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:35 PM   #3
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i wonder if they took away that black panther lady who said she was going to kill white people.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:40 PM   #4
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i wonder if they took away that black panther lady who said she was going to kill white people.
Of course not. Don't you know that blacks cannot be racists or terrorists, irregardless of how inflammatory, bigoted and hateful their exortations be.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:45 PM   #5
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Don't go outside. Don't let the cops in. Make them get a search warrant. Take the fifth.

Fuck'em all but nine.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:45 PM   #6
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i am 100% sure i will live to see a race war in this country. full blown civil war.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:55 PM   #7
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This is *all* you need to know -

"Congress shall pass no law with respect to the establishment of religion..." --Art. 1, BoR (this was the very first thing on the framers' minds) We cannot have anyone clingging to their guns and their religion now can we?

Barry said this in early 2008 -
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:59 PM   #8
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Don't go outside. Don't let the cops in. Make them get a search warrant. Take the fifth.

Fuck'em all but nine.
I picked up on that too: I think he made a blunder stepping outside. I would have told the cop that I needed some printed warrant with specific demands before I'd even talk to him. And I wouldn't talk to him until he could prove that the County Sheriff authorized his visit to MY HOME on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:06 PM   #9
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i am 100% sure i will live to see a race war in this country. full blown civil war.
Helter Skelter.


Just a few years too late.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWuXmfgXVxY
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:25 PM   #10
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The fucking Marxist scum
Come on, don't hold back - tell us how you really feel.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:58 PM   #11
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"marxist" since there was no one named marx i assume you mean mordechai levy
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:00 PM   #12
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Come on, don't hold back - tell us how you really feel.
The thing of it is, I cannot stand nor give any quarter to self-righteous do-gooder morons who insist that their 'deeds' be judged by their 'good intentions' rather than the [disastrous] results [of collectivism]. And when I grimace at getting handed the bill for these self-righteous do-gooders' deeds, they act all offended as if to say: "How dare you not want to give your fair share! How dare you be so selfish! Anything you have, that you've labored for, that you've invented, that you've built, doesn't belong to you! It belongs to us, all of us!" These people are mentally ill and will bring the entire system down with their half-baked ideas and Godless do-gooder fanaticism. And after the dust settles, and the parasitic bastards have been dispatched, the real builders and producers will have to start all over again. And in 3 more generations, the screwed up dogooder destroyers, like insects attracted to ripe fruit, will start their game all over again.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:02 PM   #13
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"marxist" since there was no one named marx i assume you mean mordechai levy
yeah, the fat hebe with the bushy beard, that guy!
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:57 PM   #14
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I picked up on that too: I think he made a blunder stepping outside. I would have told the cop that I needed some printed warrant with specific demands before I'd even talk to him. And I wouldn't talk to him until he could prove that the County Sheriff authorized his visit to MY HOME on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
Exactly. This whole notion of "I've got nothing to hide, so I'll just cooperate with tyranny" thinking can only lead to bad outcomes. Make them earn their tyranny. This guy should have known better. Pick your battles? The guy thought things would have gotten worse had he not complied? Come on. Again, make them show a warrant or tell them to get bent.
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:02 PM   #15
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So let me get this right:

A anonymous "Friend" from another State calls the local PD expressing concern about This man and Several Officers show up unannounced and eventually abduct This man and submit to 20 hours of Psych eval based on a unknown individual and it is recommended that he disarm


Call the local PD and say you are worried about your neighbor because you have seen several unknown cars in the area and a few break ins....... Im quite sure we will see the same concern and swift action without fail right?
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:04 PM   #16
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Exactly. This whole notion of "I've got nothing to hide, so I'll just cooperate with tyranny" thinking can only lead to bad outcomes. Make them earn their tyranny. This guy should have known better. Pick your battles? The guy thought things would have gotten worse had he not complied? Come on. Again, make them show a warrant or tell them to get bent.
Perhaps the fact that he stepped outside and ultimately acquiesced illustrates that he is not entirely mentally competent.

Kinda like the phrase: "I think that anybody who wants to see a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined."
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:12 PM   #17
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Exactly. This whole notion of "I've got nothing to hide, so I'll just cooperate with tyranny" thinking can only lead to bad outcomes. Make them earn their tyranny. This guy should have known better. Pick your battles? The guy thought things would have gotten worse had he not complied? Come on. Again, make them show a warrant or tell them to get bent.
When was the last time Police PEACEFULLY served a search warrant by knocking on a door? Why do you suppose they ALWAYS show up with SWAT? Is EVERY single person they serve a warrant on considered a 'violent danger'?

I just searched YT, and i cannot find a single video of Cops PEACEFULLY knocking on a door, serving the papers, allow the individual to read the papers, and then proceed to serve a LAWFUL respectable search ONLY for the sepcific items listed ONLY in the specific place listed.

First GSUS'er to find such a video wins......A Thank You from me.
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:24 PM   #18
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When was the last time Police PEACEFULLY served a search warrant by knocking on a door? Why do you suppose they ALWAYS show up with SWAT? Is EVERY single person they serve a warrant on considered a 'violent danger'?

I just searched YT, and i cannot find a single video of Cops PEACEFULLY knocking on a door, serving the papers, allow the individual to read the papers, and then proceed to serve a LAWFUL respectable search ONLY for the sepcific items listed ONLY in the specific place listed.

First GSUS'er to find such a video wins......A Thank You from me.
People don't video people stopping at red lights or going on green lights either. It's the exceptions that make the news and the internet.

Let me ask what your counteroffer to the cop would have been. Seriously. Anything? Or just shut up and go about your business?
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:34 PM   #19
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People don't video people stopping at red lights or going on green lights either. It's the exceptions that make the news and the internet.

Let me ask what your counteroffer to the cop would have been. Seriously. Anything? Or just shut up and go about your business?
Did you just compare a traffic light with a search warrant? Seriously? If this has happened before, you dont think there would be video of it?

Why would i counter offer? When a CRIMINAL offers to steal your radio, do you counter offer? I dont deal with common criminals, so why would i deal with corporate ones?
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:44 PM   #20
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Did you just compare a traffic light with a search warrant? Seriously? If this has happened before, you dont think there would be video of it?
No. I just made the comparison of traffic lights not appearing on Youtube videos. I'll be you can find lots of car crashes. Do you get the analogy now? Trainwrecks and car crashes and botched raids end up on Youtube. Not business as usual stuff, which a properly executed warrant would be.

Why would i counter offer? When a CRIMINAL offers to steal your radio, do you counter offer? I dont deal with common criminals, so why would i deal with corporate ones?
I am not saying you would. You would then just shut up and go about your business, which was option #2.
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