[unapelosina]

According to Car magazine super cars ... :
"... serve no practical purpose, cost more than we will ever earn, use fuel with breathtaking indifference to the plight of foliage, cannot honestly be driven within the law and generally offer drivers a degree of peripheral vision that would worry a tank commander. They're outrageous, pointless, excessive, irresponsible and annoy the trousers off the politically correct minority. To which we say thank God for that."

[myhackingtosh_ws]

According to Car magazine super cars ... :
"... serve no practical purpose, cost more than we will ever earn, use fuel with breathtaking indifference to the plight of foliage, cannot honestly be driven within the law and generally offer drivers a degree of peripheral vision that would worry a tank commander. They're outrageous, pointless, excessive, irresponsible and annoy the trousers off the politically correct minority. To which we say thank God for that."

So basicly, if a car proforms with a super car, but doesn't have the drawbacks, its not a super car?

[Vcwdldva]

So basicly, if a car proforms with a super car, but doesn't have the drawbacks, its not a super car?

thats an awkward definiton but funny I can kind of see where they are coming from... I dont know though it doesnt sound right to me in all honesty... I think if it can preform it is. And it has to be designed crazy sexy. I do feel the Z 06 and the viper both qualify as they have a larger then life outlandish design. They are just american interpretations of the supercar.

I have not yet seen the saleen S7 I will look it up now

[myhackingtosh_ws]

[Avoireeideree]

Well the thing is, the Corvette is EVERYWHERE, yet I have only seen 2 Vipers on the road. Sure they arent exclusive, but people make them exclusive because no one is buying them. I have even seen more SRT10 RAM's on the road. I have sure seen a hell of a lot more of these then I have a Viper. And even more super car Porsches.
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/murcielago.asp

I would consider the Viper to be a super car. Though only because it is my all time dream car.

[DoctorBeny]

You may want to check that? it does have a truck engine, although developed by Lamborghini

Lamborghini had nothing to do with the development of the viper V10. Chrysler simply stuck 2 additional cylinders on the front of the LA V8 (dating from 1964). The V10 is the sole surving member of that engine family, at least in the US.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/318.html

[Avoireeideree]

Lamborghini had nothing to do with the development of the viper V10. Chrysler simply stuck 2 additional cylinders on the front of the LA V8 (dating from 1964). The V10 is the sole surving member of that engine family, at least in the US.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/318.html

From what I am awear of, they did. Lamborghini got pissed at the fact that Chrysler was going with the pushrod 2-valve solution when they wanted to go the ohc, 4 valve solution.
FYI, Lambo was owned by Chrysler for some time a few years back.

[Vcwdldva]

i think its safe to say that the s7 is a supercar!


what about a lotus esprit?

[DoctorBeny]

From what I am awear of, they did. Lamborghini got pissed at the fact that Chrysler was going with the pushrod 2-valve solution when they wanted to go the ohc, 4 valve solution.
FYI, Lambo was owned by Chrysler for some time a few years back.

I knew that lamborghini was owned by chrysler (around the time that the diablo was being developed). Looks like lamborghini was involved in the engine development after all if wikipedia is accurate. The truck V10 was developed by chrysler, and lambo was tasked with developing an aluminum version for sports car use. Don't know what the politics were like at the time or if lamborghini engineers objected to the task. I would have been so cool if they used the 7 liter lambo marine V12 instead.

[pinawinekolad]

So basicly, if a car proforms with a super car, but doesn't have the drawbacks, its not a super car?

I agree with that. We used to have a '91 300zx TT. Performed like a supercar, but was more reliable and "only" cost $54,000 (even today that's alot, but think about that price 15 years ago)

[gorbasevhuynani]

I agree with that. We used to have a '91 300zx TT. Performed like a supercar, but was more reliable and "only" cost $54,000 (even today that's alot, but think about that price 15 years ago)

The 300zx TT was made to outpeform the Corvette, and that it did straight line and track... the style on that car will never age...it's beautiful.




Lord have MERCY!!!

[Savviers]

Sure, it was a match for the base vettes. But nowhere near the ZR1 in terms of performance. The Zr1 also cost about 60k.

ZR1's are beasts. It bested the world record by holding 174mph for over 24 hours straight. Reliable as can be. 1/4 mile in the 12's, top speed was 174mph which at the time was quite an acheivement for an engine designed to be a daily driver.

[iNYZgxNC]

what makes a super car for me:

-0-60 time in less than 4.5 seconds
-handles great on the road and at the track
-functional high quality interior
-the car has a quality feel
-looks fast when not moving
-the steering gives you good feedback
-transmission should feel light and quick
-preferably mid or rear engine layout
-very fun to drive
-RWD
-turns heads

[Noilemaillilm]

So if a Z06 cost 3x the price, it would be a super car?

If it was hand built. Had HUGE waiting lists. Insurance compaines would put you on hold when you ask for a quote.

[myhackingtosh_ws]

If it was hand built. Had HUGE waiting lists. Insurance compaines would put you on hold when you ask for a quote.

So the basic theme we're running into is that if a car proforms like the other supercars, but doesn't have any of the downsides to them, most people consider it a supercar.

[rojettafoxx]

Exclusivity and Class are some of the biggest factors imho and with that I mean, why US cars rarely get Super Car status.

Its like putting Britney Spears next to Kylie Minogue. Both pop queens, both hot, both have some provocative video clips, both went trough some rough patches in their lives.

Other then their age difference, there's 1 other big difference. Britney is a skank no matter what she does or how she dresses up and Kylie has Class, even if she went spread eagle dressed like a hooker in her next video, she'd still be more classy.

[yasalaioqe]

I know what does not make super cars... America... and actually there are not corvettes and vipers that would stop the **** out of porsches and the likes.... it called Le Mans. Last time an American car won was in the late 60's.

[freflellalafe]

I know what does not make super cars... America... and actually there are not corvettes and vipers that would stop the **** out of porsches and the likes.... it called Le Mans. Last time an American car won was in the late 60's.

Which LeMans are you talking about coz the Corvette team won in its class in LeMans 24hrs.

[sjdflghd]

So the basic theme we're running into is that if a car proforms like the other supercars, but doesn't have any of the downsides to them, most people consider it a supercar.

Basically you want the Corvette to be considered a supercar because you want one or are thinking of buying one, which is exactly why it isn't one!

I don't even consider 911 Turbo's as supercars, they are far too rounded and in being so useable everyday they loose character!
I'd say the much less capable Ferrari 360 is a supercar, simply because it's engine needs to rev to do much, it's handling is relatively snappy and not useable unless firmly commited. It's an event to drive. You'd likely find it harder work using an F360 day to day than a C6 or 911!

You can do 25,000 miles a year in a 911 Turbo and never find it a problem, starts every time, fairly small, easy to park, good visibility, decent storage space (for this type of car).

Get in a Lamborghini Diablo or Koenigsegg CC8S and you'll have poor rear vision, oversteer everywhere in anything but bone dry conditions, poor forward visibility due to being so low.

Look at the interior and seats in a 911 Turbo or C6 Vette. Traction control, ABS, PSM or ESP, practical considerations. Too many practical considerations dilutes the occasion of a supercar.

Look at the Saleen S7, it uses a proper racing pedal box, the seats are leaned RIGHT back, who knows how you get out! THAT is a supercar!

Make a supercar useable and it's just any other car. It has to have downsides as well as being blisteringly fast!

In a way the new Veyron is less of a supercar than the Enzo or S7 simply because it's too useable and too practical in comparison!
If the car isn't an event to drive, requiring some kind of compromise, then where is the fun and outrage in it?

Dave

[VonErmad4]

Basically you want the Corvette to be considered a supercar because you want one or are thinking of buying one, which is exactly why it isn't one!

I don't even consider 911 Turbo's as supercars, they are far too rounded and in being so useable everyday they loose character!
I'd say the much less capable Ferrari 360 is a supercar, simply because it's engine needs to rev to do much, it's handling is relatively snappy and not useable unless firmly commited. It's an event to drive. You'd likely find it harder work using an F360 day to day than a C6 or 911!

You can do 25,000 miles a year in a 911 Turbo and never find it a problem, starts every time, fairly small, easy to park, good visibility, decent storage space (for this type of car).

Get in a Lamborghini Diablo or Koenigsegg CC8S and you'll have poor rear vision, oversteer everywhere in anything but bone dry conditions, poor forward visibility due to being so low.

Look at the interior and seats in a 911 Turbo or C6 Vette. Traction control, ABS, PSM or ESP, practical considerations. Too many practical considerations dilutes the occasion of a supercar.

Look at the Saleen S7, it uses a proper racing pedal box, the seats are leaned RIGHT back, who knows how you get out! THAT is a supercar!

Make a supercar useable and it's just any other car. It has to have downsides as well as being blisteringly fast!

In a way the new Veyron is less of a supercar than the Enzo or S7 simply because it's too useable and too practical in comparison!
If the car isn't an event to drive, requiring some kind of compromise, then where is the fun and outrage in it?

Dave

nope, i dont think so. you're stating the difference between a everyday supercar and a super that cant be used as an everyday car.