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Does that mean that I can:
Fart at a restaurant, or do I have to hold it, do it in a dirty restroom, make the fart wait while we all eat? Rap, I do believe that some thnigs should be looked at with a bit more tolerance, but certain biological functions should be practiced with a bit more tact and diplomacy than others. Having your baby out to dinner at a restaurant is pretty rude to begin with. You are taking them out for your convenience, either because you want to be waited on at a restaurant, or you want to show of fthe kid to a bunch of people or both. I know it is tough being a new parent and you want to get out, but I have never understood why so many people insist on bring a baby to places like restaurants at times when the baby should probably be sleeping, movies, and other areas that are not suited for the child. Hell, why do both parents have to be at the supermarket with the kids yelling and screaming? I can understand mom or dad being theer alone, maybe there is noone else to look after them. But you get a cart with two screamers/yellers in the "kid extension" in the front of a shopping cart and mom and dad either doing nothing about it, or trying to, but accomplishing nothing, and you wonder why they brought the kids there when one of them could have been watching them at home. Back to breast feeding. So you brought your baby to a restaurant, most likely because YOU wanted to go. Now your baby wants food. So in front of a bunch of other people (the worst would be if you were with guests, but lets just go to the general idea) you whip one out and let the baby start slurping. I am sorry, while not as gross as defecating, or as lewd as fornicating, nursing is still one of those "squishy" things that most, like it or not, do not find comforting or appropriate in public, and certainly not at dinner. Just because something is "natural" does not always make it the right thing to do. |
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I strongly suggest that anyone who finds breastfeeding to be even remotely comparable to defecation Get off your high horse and come back to reality. |
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You know, when public breast feeding first became a pseudo phenomena (or at least when I first noticed it) I was kinda put off by it too. And I would prefer that mothers be a bit more discrete than some are.
But provided a modicum of discretion is provided, (maybe off to a corner, or assure proper coverage) I am ok with it I guess. Times change, social norms change. |
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You know, when public breast feeding first became a pseudo phenomena (or at least when I first noticed it) I was kinda put off by it too. And I would prefer that mothers be a bit more discrete than some are. Nudity in and of itself may be a bit more acceptable in certain situations, but I do not want people unclothed at a restaurant, church or movie theater!!! |
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Beyond infants, have you guys noticed the trend of the public breastfeeding of children who are big enough to walk up and demand it? I do sympathize with breastfeeding mothers in many cases, but the whole thing seems like it has gone a bit too far.
In many cases, the child in question shouldn't be at a restaurant at all. If your child is too young to understand what a restaurant is and how to behave in one, you should probably hire childcare if you plan on going out in the evening. Family-style places, fine, but it's not one's God-given right to take a potentially screaming child everywhere and anywhere, at any time of the day. And as for "dirty" bathrooms with no chairs- if people insist upon going out with an infant, it's not too difficult to track down establishments that offer restrooms with chairs. I've never seen someone in a wheelchair pitch a fit because there was no ramp, and they've probably got more of a right to. Their condition is permanent- screaming children grow up, and can relatively easily be moved elsewhere. However, many parents seem to have become so entitled that they truly believe their rights and the immediate comfort of their children supercedes everyone's needs, no matter where they are. I've seen plenty of good, attentive parents who don't do this, but an increasing number who do. And none of it really has anything to do with topless sunbathing. |
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A baby suckling at the breast of its mother is one of the most natural and lovely things I can think of in all human existence.
It doesn't need to be hidden, and comparing it to farting is just...well...I cracked up when I read that. ![]() A baby being nourished by its mother, no matter where, is not profane, offensive, vulgar, or inconsiderate of anyone. ![]() Sunbathing nude should be a matter of free choice. Men do it, women should do it too if they want to. The sun on one's chest is a glorious feeling to be enjoyed by all. Breasts are breasts, we all have 'em in one size or another, let's just get over it. |
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go to any urban park in Europe in the height of summer and many women will be topfree, not only on the beach. Its weird to go to London and see secretaries and office ladies lying on a concrete slab on their lunchbreak, with just an office skirt and a newspaper, then putting their clothes back on once 2 o clock is up. In Germany, Scandinavia and parts of Eastern Europe its the norm to go naked in urban parks too (and not necessarily a pretty sight, more the reserve of the older generation). Nonetheless women going shirtless in central London (Hyde Park) or Midtown Manhattan (Central Park) certainly wouldn't be an issue with me. I'm not offended or scared of the human body and I don't understand those who are. |
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It is a crime against humanity that Salma is forced to wear a blouse. These beauties should be liberated! Could you imagine the happiness that she would create if she were allowed to walk down the street topless? I, for one, would be ecstatic!
Forcing women like Salma to cover their breasts is like forcing museums to put a shroud over their most beautiful works of art. ![]() ![]() ![]() Excuse me. I have to get some handcream from the medicine cabinet!!!! |
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MTG, I think you are missing my point.
So many people use the excuse "it's natural!!!" to validate many things they do which are not socially accepted in public. So calling Breas Feeding "natural" and saying that it somehow deserves to be done wherever and whenever the parents decide is not a valid argument/excuse. And I agree with Schade. Children do not give you rights over others. If you want to go to a fancy restaurant, why do you, and so many others, need to bring the kid? ESPECIALLY if the kid really gets nothing out of it? Did babysitters become extinct? Anyway, the "natural" argument goes to toplessness as well. There are some really disgusting things in life that are "natural", and some people's naked bodies are some of them!!!! :shock: |
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Go to any museum or gallery, or to Rome or Florence and you'll see plenty of nakeness in the form of pictures, statues or sculptures, both male & female - there's nothing sordid or wrong about it so why the uproar because a female goes topless?
From a personal perspective, I prefer human bodies to be covered with a bit of clothing, somehow its more erotic. As for the subtle breast-feeding of babies in public places, why not? In the cases I've seen you'd hardly notice, and you certainly couldn't see any hint of breast, so why the moral indignation at what is a natural act. Some grown-up men even like to experience breast milk from their wives. Who are we to judge? |
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Some grown-up men even like to experience breast milk from their wives. Who are we to judge? We have the right to judge. When you live in a community, you have to realize that you do have the right to do certain things, but you have to remember thatthere ARE people around you and you should try to respect them as well. You do not own them. It's just common consideration. Another uncommon commonality. |
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