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Old 10-24-2011, 09:46 PM   #1
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Assalam-O-Alaikum!

Here is the Map of kashmir.


Now, Kashmir is divided into 3-parts.

Pakistan's Administrated Kashmir (Gilgit Baltistan & Azad Kashmir)



Indian Administrated Kashmir (Jammu & Kashmir)



Chinese Administrated Kashmir (Aksai Chin & Shaksgam Valley)



What do you want to see?

A;
-Kashmir as an independent state - Why?
-Kashmir as Province of India - Why?
-Kashmir as Province of China - Why?
-Kashmir as Province of Pakistan - Why?
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:59 PM   #2
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Salam

I would go for independant state as both Pakistan and India are taking advantage of the people and resources of Kashmir. Of course the atrocities committed against the people of Occupied Kashmir are not reciprocated in Azad Kashmir but neveretheless the Pakistani authorities do not give full "azadi" to the residents in AJK.

It may be best to allow India to hold onto the hindu dominated Jammu areas to allow for a Muslim Kashmir, insha'Allah
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:18 AM   #3
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I was born in Kolti Azad Kashmir I currently live in America however all my relatives live in Azad Kashmir Pakistan, My opinion is that Kashmir will not survive as a independent state , but the people of kashmir should decide what country they want to belong to .
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:16 AM   #4
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I was born in Kolti Azad Kashmir I currently live in America however all my relatives live in Azad Kashmir Pakistan, My opinion is that Kashmir will not survive as a independent state , but the people of kashmir should decide what country they want to belong to .
citizens of kashmir are demanding an independent state.
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:29 AM   #5
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the kashmir issue is as follows; hindu and sikh soldiers are raping muslim women in indian kashmir. The kashmiris want independence but they don't want to be part of pakistan. The ISI and pakistani army is not making things better with certain actions. The pakistanis are only concerned about their great enemy india whilst they have left china to occupy their side of kashmir. Also there needs to be some massive dawah effort in the kashmir area. There are a lot of brelvi and brelvi inclined people and generally the people are very very far from deen.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:40 PM   #6
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the kashmir issue is as follows; hindu and sikh soldiers are raping muslim women in indian kashmir. The kashmiris want independence but they don't want to be part of pakistan. The ISI and pakistani army is not making things better with certain actions. The pakistanis are only concerned about their great enemy india whilst they have left china to occupy their side of kashmir. Also there needs to be some massive dawah effort in the kashmir area. There are a lot of brelvi and brelvi inclined people and generally the people are very very far from deen.
They are not only raping the women but killing children & men too.

After the ceasefire of Kashmir, Pakistan Army is unable to attack unless there is some attacks from their side to the LOC. Although LOC changes everyday.

Aksai Chin Shaksgam valley were handed over to the China just because at that time pak Army was unable to hold all of that part. So, when there will be any solution comes out globally, that part will be merged with Kashmir too.

There are already lot many dawah groups upthere & plz don't say like that if barelvis are there. So what if they are present up there, might be Allah S.W.T. gonna put them in paradise, never think like that & criticize any group. That is the only thing which made Muslim Ummah in trouble. And I hate those Muslims who hate Muslims.
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:49 PM   #7
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And I hate those Muslims who hate Muslims.


issues aside..

do you hate yourself since you hate those muslims.

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Old 10-25-2011, 07:06 PM   #8
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issues aside..

do you hate yourself since you hate those muslims.

Yes, I hate my self too because I am among the list of shayateen and dajjal, I am afraid that would earth gonna give me some space for my dead body, yes I hate my self because my life is not over the Sharia, yes I hate myself cuz I am failed to establish Khilafah, yes I hate myself that I could't remove sects and discrimination b/w Ummah, yes I hate myself that anybody abuse Islam & stood like a nil guy, Yes I hate myself !
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:48 PM   #9
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Most of us azad Kashmiris support full independence from India but still some links to Pakistan e.g military, and foreign policy. Most of the internal issues should be decided by the Kashmiris and not islamabad. This is what impression I get from family and relatives
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:48 AM   #10
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I agree that Kashmir should be independent state however if it does it won't be that powerful, anyone can attack it and take over.
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Old 10-26-2011, 02:59 PM   #11
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Well about Kashmir, i think people are yet to decide whether they want to stay with India,pak or alone. It is the political front in the name of hurriyat who are boosting up these things of independence, else the people are fine with how it is. I may say it is the corruption to the core in Kashmir, there are strikes for month, daily wagers suffer, business men suffer, only the ones who call for the strike enjoy, even young guys are made to stone pelt n in many cases they are paid for it. Over the top they seem to be opposing the govt. but inside they are all the same.Even the govt doesn't care. There is just corruption to the core..
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Old 10-26-2011, 03:02 PM   #12
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Well about Kashmir, i think people are yet to decide whether they want to stay with India,pak or alone. It is the political front in the name of hurriyat who are boosting up these things of independence, else the people are fine with how it is. I may say it is the corruption to the core in Kashmir, there are strikes for month, daily wagers suffer, business men suffer, only the ones who call for the strike enjoy, even young guys are made to stone pelt n in many cases they are paid for it. Over the top they seem to be opposing the govt. but inside they are all the same.Even the govt doesn't care. There is just corruption to the core..
its about the Indian occupied Kashmir..
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Old 10-26-2011, 03:49 PM   #13
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What about Kashmiri pandits who were forced to flee from Kashmir valley ? should'nt they also have a say in these matters ?
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:00 PM   #14
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As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

This is a very interesting topic. It appears that the emotions
have clouded the issues with the ethnic, cultural
and tribal biases. The problems are well cited. What
are some practical solutions. There are those among us
who only increase the divide and cite the problems to
keep us divided. What are the solutions?
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وَاعْتَصِمُواْ بِحَبْلِ اللّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلاَ تَفَرَّقُواْ وَاذْكُرُواْ نِعْمَةَ اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاء فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىَ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ (3:103)

WaiAAtasimoo bihabli Allahi jameeAAan wala tafarraqoo waothkuroo niAAmata Allahi
AAalaykum ith kuntum aAAdaan faallafa bayna quloobikum faasbahtum biniAAmatihi ikhwanan
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Allahu lakum ayatihi laAAallakum tahtadoona

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Old 10-26-2011, 04:21 PM   #15
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As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Can someone provide the exact year that the Hindu's moved out of Kashmir? (Khasmiri Pandits)

Did the Hindu's and Muslim ever coexist in harmony? (13th Century)

Where the Kashmir Muslims ever considered Sufi's?

What was the exact year it decided by the People to create a Kashmir independent State?

How is Pakistanis military and political influence driving the independence movement of Kashmir?

Is India more concerned with the military threat an independent Kashmir poses or Pakistani influence?

Where does Kashmir receive military support? What is the Western powers view of an independent Kashmir?

The questions were submitted with the best intentions and the best construction should be used when
reading and answering them.

Jazakumullahu Khair
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Old 10-26-2011, 05:30 PM   #16
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What about Kashmiri pandits who were forced to flee from Kashmir valley ? should'nt they also have a say in these matters ?
Well the pandit stuff is pretty old,m talking about the present n its totally different from the time back then.
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Old 08-08-2012, 04:19 PM   #17
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I AM FROM KASHMIR AND I WANT ISLAM TO BE IN THE LIVES OF MUSLIMS ...NO MATTER WHETHER WE ARE INDEPENDENT OR WITH INDIA OR WITH PAKISTAN OR WITH CHINA...we kashmiris deserve punishment as we disobey allah and his rasuul



come kashmir ...you all and see yourself the reality...purdah in kashmir is 0.1 percent and namaz is 5 percent, hotels and resturants open during ramadhan, young generation following west, illict relations between male and female students of schools and colleges....

we deserve punishment...whatever happens in kashmir is because we disobey allah and his prophet although no one stops us from putting islam into our lives...no military, no indian force stops us from putting islam into our lives...these discussions and the efforts which leaders in kashmir do will lead to nothing because there all efforts are on makhlooq, on creation, there are zero efforts on islam from these so called leaders...


unless we dont follow allah and his rasuul nothing is going to happen....


come kashmir and see....


oh! i just remembered one incident ...once a jamaat from mumbai came to srinagar (kashmir), when they reached the destination, they were shocked and one of them said "ya hamay kahan firaavuun ke shahar me laaya" (where do you brought us to the city of Pharoah) since houses in kashmir are too big wholly against teachings of prophet ....we have very few ulemas here and vert few hufaaz, only orphans do become aalim and haafiz, i live at a place in srinagar which contains more than 1 lakh people but we have only two own aalim and there are other ulemas too but they are from other districts or from outside state although we have hundreds or thousands of engineers and doctors in my place ....

so how can allah help us when we dont help and make effort of his deen...common...there is no zulm in kashmir...it is only consequences of our bad deeds....
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:01 PM   #18
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I AM FROM KASHMIR AND I WANT ISLAM TO BE IN THE LIVES OF MUSLIMS ...NO MATTER WHETHER WE ARE INDEPENDENT OR WITH INDIA OR WITH PAKISTAN OR WITH CHINA...we kashmiris deserve punishment as we disobey allah and his rasuul



come kashmir ...you all and see yourself the reality...purdah in kashmir is 0.1 percent and namaz is 5 percent, hotels and resturants open during ramadhan, young generation following west, illict relations between male and female students of schools and colleges....

we deserve punishment...whatever happens in kashmir is because we disobey allah and his prophet although no one stops us from putting islam into our lives...no military, no indian force stops us from putting islam into our lives...these discussions and the efforts which leaders in kashmir do will lead to nothing because there all efforts are on makhlooq, on creation, there are zero efforts on islam from these so called leaders...


unless we dont follow allah and his rasuul nothing is going to happen....


come kashmir and see....


oh! i just remembered one incident ...once a jamaat from mumbai came to srinagar (kashmir), when they reached the destination, they were shocked and one of them said "ya hamay kahan firaavuun ke shahar me laaya" (where do you brought us to the city of Pharoah) since houses in kashmir are too big wholly against teachings of prophet ....we have very few ulemas here and vert few hufaaz, only orphans do become aalim and haafiz, i live at a place in srinagar which contains more than 1 lakh people but we have only two own aalim and there are other ulemas too but they are from other districts or from outside state although we have hundreds or thousands of engineers and doctors in my place ....

so how can allah help us when we dont help and make effort of his deen...common...there is no zulm in kashmir...it is only consequences of our bad deeds....
Well, I am from Azad Kashmir & my family migrated from Jammu 500 years ago.

Anyway, brother you will find lot many places like that in Pakistan too. No doubt that we must follow the Principles of Islam as because we are Muslims & we better try to make others convert by our good deeds.
I was on the way for the solution of Kashmir & then I asked the same thing from my Sheikh & he replied;

"Solution is something belongs to Aulia' Allah, leave it!"

Somebody told me the whole story behind the Kashmir Conflict & I will InshAllah try to find out that book & will share with you people.
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