[Rupeviv]

I wish we could listen to such khutbahs every jumu'ah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpoWw...eature=related

Sheik Umar bin Abdul Aziz calls for Sharee'ah in Egypt : October 2011 (post-revolution)

[endulundaSauh]

the sheikh has raised very valid points.

[Rupeviv]

the sheikh has raised very valid points.

Wa'alaikum salaam warahmatullah. yes and may be we should all follow the advice of starting with ourselves and families, and secretly at first. Many of us (myself included) pay mere lip service to "Return of Caliphate" whilst our lifestyles would probably warrant a punishment from a Khalifah!

May be its time to seriously take stock and ask ourselves: are our intentions REALLY good? Or do we Just talk for the fun of it in our 'free time' and leave the majority of our hours pursuing useless goals...

[endulundaSauh]

Bismillah
The shaikh hasn't said anything new and most people know it.

Akhi.

Most people know it, but does NOT act on it. Hence He is reminding us. It is the duty of the ulema don't you think bro.


@offtopic.
Brother, i have noticed that you are being a bit skeptical about a lot of things unnecessarily. I could be wrong. But still, try to tone down a bit, Akhi I apologize if I have caused you discomfort. I shall delete this post if you didn't like it.

[Master_B]

That's the shaykh kuffar are afraid of, then one that reminds you of the Creator Allah.

Nice sharing, may Allah reform us all.

[hellencomstar]

Bismillah
The shaikh hasn't said anything new and most people know it. If the intention is to educate the most ill educated, then perhaps but it didn't offer anything to the middleclass educated populas. It came across with a lot of emotional rehtoric and doesn't do justice.

Allahualam

! You mention that his khutbah had little intelligence and that only the most unintelligent would have derived benefit from it. This criticism was levelled by the Quraish of Makkah at our Rasulullah by saying that he is Majnoon and that only the poor, weak and unintelligent in society follow him.

It does not do justice to what? Justice to the nafs? Justice to the libertarian culture? Justice to the people: What does it not do justice to?

The khutbah is a wake up call for Muslims to smell the coffee before the Athaab of Allah strikes us and we are left with heads bowed and eyes stricken wide eyed in terror.

Islam is not to provide solutions for the middleclass educated with kufr. It is for all classes. It abolished classes and made a black Ethiopian slave the Imam of Muslims whose name is honoured and revered by all Muslims. It was the educated middle/high class or whatever silly class they might be in that denied the Shariah and took up arms against the Deen of Allah.

Allah states,

43:23 And even so We sent not a warner before thee (Muhammad) into any township but its luxurious ones said: Lo! we found our fathers following a religion, and we are following their footprints.

23:64 Till when We grasp their luxurious ones with the punishment, behold! they supplicate.

34:34 And We sent not unto any township a warner, but its pampered ones declared: Lo! we are disbelievers in that which ye bring unto Us.

46:11 And those who disbelieve say of those who believe: If it had been (any) good, they would not have been before us in attaining it. And since they will not be guided by it, they say: This is an ancient lie

You mention emotional rhetoric regarding the Imaam's khutbah. It was a speech that's aim was to awaken the emotions in the listeners in understanding that they have forgotten Allah and His Laws. He is saying that it is not too late to change what you have done, seek forgiveness and try in whatever steps you can to establish His Law.

Brother Nomadic where do you think we will be if we do NOT establish Allah 's Law? Do you think we will be ruling the world or do you think we will be pillaged, our cities burned, our women ravaged, our children made into kaafirs as is happening now. Why this humiliation on this Ummah? Do you not think it is linked to the fact that we have forgotton our Creator. He (Mighty is His Name) is relegated to some spiritual corner where individuals must connect to their spirituality but He (The All Powerful) has no significance in our daily lives. This is the only reason why we are not given true political soveriengty. Allah Ta'ala states in Surah Hajj verses 39-41 that if power was to be given to those who believe in Allah they would establish his Law. That is the condition that Allah Ta'ala has made.

Brother, when you say that the shaikh has not said anything new and that most people know it then the Ummah would not be in the pitiable state it is now. It is so wretched, degraded, humiliated and scorned that if the Ummah knew where it was going wrong then Wallaahi our condition would not be as it is.

I apologise for the tone of my post but you hit a raw nerve. Please accept my sincere apologies and my intention is but to offer naseehah.

51:55 But remind (thy Message) for reminding benefits the Believers.

[FinanseMikky]

Bismillah
The shaikh hasn't said anything new and most people know it. If the intention is to educate the most ill educated, then perhaps but it didn't offer anything to the middleclass educated populas. It came across with a lot of emotional rehtoric and doesn't do justice.

Allahualam

If you have nothing to say, please keep quiet.

من كان يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر، فليقل خيرا أو ليصمت

[Suvaxal]

what a khutba!!!

anything that is thought-provoking, reminding us of our purpose individually and collectively should be applauded and praised.

[mr.calisto]

what a khutba!!!

anything that is thought-provoking, reminding us of our purpose individually and collectively should be applauded and praised.

[Suvaxal]

the shaykh prays very nicely aswell, just heard him reciting on another khutba

[FinanseMikky]

The target audience are the Egyptians who will be facing elections, quite soon (hopefully).

[hellencomstar]

Bismillah
We all know who is anti muslim and who is doing what!! Who is the target audiance for this khutba. Unless one is completely oblivious to the reality, they need such reminding because they have fallen asleep in the khutba where one feels the need to scream and shout. The delivery of the khutba put me off to start with. Did Rasullah SAW ever shouted liked this! One would think people is about to get involved in the kital in a jung where rebel rousing speech is needed to rally people.
Ofcourse this victory is with Allah and is granted to the sincere. What I find with this type of khutba is a temporary injection of zeal. It is for the ulema to educate the mass. To me this didn't really do justice to the topic at hand. Inform the superiroty of the Shariah over the the secular by discourse and not emotinaly driven rehtorics. We wonder why the likes of Amr khalid is winning the hearts. Br. people of today are more literate then before and the changes in the society happens at the hand of educated mass. The elite (upperclass) prefer the status quo, the poor are prone to manipulation by both sides


Allahualam

I am understanding your points slightly more however many more are still outstanding. You have not answered many questions that I directed to you in my earlier post. Firstly, what do you mean that he did not do justice to the topic at hand? He intellectually and with an impassioned plea explained the situation accurately.

Secondly, the clip is an EXCERPT 5:08 minutes long and the Jumu'ah Khutbah was much longer. We do not know what he said earlier or later. However, from what he did say he covered all the topics that could be covered due to him using the Speech of Allah viz in tansurullaha yansurkum. This is the key.

Thirdly, you have mistakenly called the fire of his Imaan as 'emotional rhetoric.' You have asked whether Rasulullah spoke like this? You must know that it is well documented that when a law of the deen was contravened Rasulullah 's face use to become red and a vein on his blessed forehead would swell and pulsate in zeal due to Allah's law being stamped upon? Also who were the audience of Rasulullah when he delivered them the Khutbah? They were people who would behead their father's for His sake.

What do you expect the Imaam to do when the supposedly intellectual plastic mujtahids of Al Azhar University have disappeared like a sewer rat up a drain? They keep silence, they conceal the haqq, they promote the agenda of the kuffaar and will actively work against the Ulama asking for Shariah.

His khutbah is true love for the sake of Allah and hate for the sake of Allah insha'Allah. You must also know the hadith of Rasulullah that you will not be a true mu'min until you do this.

My brother please remember that education is not the one who has Phd's or the one who is a possessor of wealth. The educated one is he who is enlightened about His Lord. There are many 'intellectual's Professors of Islam who will serve their immortal life in the Aakhirah in Janhunnum. Whereas there will be countless poor, destitute, low class beggars who will be admitted into their Lord's Rahmah and Pleasure. May Allah Ta'ala make us one of these servants who gain His Pleasure and His Rahmah.

49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you (Atqaakum). And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

May Allah Ta'ala grant us all guidance.

[7UENf0w7]

I am sorry I don't share such sentiment. We muslim have been too long emotionally led. Why is it everything has to become a shouting match. I think all ezyptian knows what he is saying anyway. What was perhaps needed in current age is a thought out rebuttle why people are not opting for what the shaikh is elluding to. What is this talk about phd! Speaking to the level of people is what is needed. Todays level of people are dissconnected educated elite overwhelmed by secular reasoning. Perhaps the Shaikh can do that but havn't seen many scholar with the exception of few who does such justice.
Allahulaam

I have just three things to say to you :-

1. You haven't answered any of brother abd7861's questions. You haven't even looked at his proofs. In fact what you have done is just beat about the bush.

2.What do you mean by too long emotionally led. As brother abd7861 has already said "You must know that it is well documented that when a law of the deen was contravened Rasulullah 's face use to become red and a vein on his blessed forehead would swell and pulsate in zeal due to Allah's law being stamped upon".

What do you want then a muslim shiekh who stands giving a speech with no conviction in his heart. That is why Islam is in the state it is. The masses have been hoodwinked by these "intelligentsia charlatans" who are bereft of any taqwa. They're in it simply for the boodle,ego and fame. Remember that Umar used to have black lines going down his 's blessed face. This was due to immense crying out of fear and love of Allah. Fear is an emotion, so are you saying that during Umar :anum: 's time people were being led astray. Nauthubillah.

Brother a person who converts to Islam also looks at ones taqwa and ones love for islam. Again love is an emotion. What I mean is that people are not going to convert to islam when the person trying to convert them is himself bereft of all spiritual fibre. May be that person needs to wrestle with his/her own nafs instead of converting others.

3. Shall I tell you why everything has to be what you have mistakenly called a shouting match when it was clearly not a shouting match and was infact a one way khutbah declaring our ills :-


2:18 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

This blessed ayah is very much relevant to the elite classes who despite having the knowledge of the original teachings of islam are vaunt in reinterpriting islam to satiate their egos. Their kufr is latent and the veils on their hearts will prevent the truth being accepted. However for those who have a sincere heart will take the imaams khutbah for what he said and not how he said it.

2:171 The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.

[Master_B]

, Bro Nomadic I've got a video of an imam destroying a painting during the khutba out of anger, that may interest you..

[7UENf0w7]

Why would anyone destory painting in a khutba!! What is the purpose of that in a Khutba. There is a time and place for everything.
As for the ayah of deaf, dumb and blind they will not turn is this directed towards muslims or for obstinate ones!!
I am not saying there is no place for emotion but the point is allmost everything these days are highly emotionally charged. Emotion in such cases should be restrained and be directed with a venom in arguments and rebuttle.
Not everyone is Umar (RAD) (this seems to have escaped peoples mind) and the audiance is not going out with gun blazing after the khutba.
Allahualam

You obviously haven't read who this ayat is directed to in these times of jaahilyah.

There appear to be too much pontificating without taking into account of the reality on the ground who the imaam is addressing. The imaam is actually there on the ground and inshallah be a better judge of the stituation than any of us put together.

Indeed the least we can do is to aspire to the ways of our great amirul mumineen Umar faruq . As obviously we can never reach his rank. Our pathetic situation is such that there are those people of today who prefer the dialectics of the "intelligensia" as the way forward. These very elite classes with few exceptions follow the standard set by the "Orientalists". In contrast we dont have to go very far in history where the Amirs of the spanish "muslim" kingdoms were engrossed in finery dialectics and luxury with what result of being humiliated by the kuffar powers. had it not been the simple supposed uncouth fiery warrior of islam namely Yusuf Al Tashfin who regained the lands and Allah Subhana Wa Taala made him the means of bringing ascendancy of islam in that land.

May Allah Taala guide people to the haqq that the imaam was calling people to in his khutbah.

[clapsoewmred]

I wish we could listen to such khutbahs every jumu'ah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpoWw...eature=related

Sheik Umar bin Abdul Aziz calls for Sharee'ah in Egypt : October 2011 (post-revolution)

Is he a sufi shaykh ? If so , what is his spiritual lineage ?


Are people in Egypt spiritually strong enough to live in a state ruled by a khalifa ? I mean , all those music and movies ?

[Rupeviv]

Is he a sufi shaykh ? If so , what is his spiritual lineage ?


Are people in Egypt spiritually strong enough to live in a state ruled by a khalifa ? I mean , all those music and movies ?

You see brother, that is the WHOLE POINT of having a caliphate!!!

If people are not spritually strong, we need a caliph to establish a framework that would guide people towards that end.

Of course, a caliph is not charged with washing everyone's hearts, but not even the ambiyaa were ordered to do so. They invited, and it was up to people to accept.

Plus, a caliph has been empowered with amr bil ma'foof wa nahy anil munkar of the HAND. So he is allowed - rather, commanded - to destroy evil - music, movies etc. physically. We can sit down and complain, that there is too much fitnah nowadays, but a caliph can actually go out and change things, bi iznillah.

Now, whether people accept his deeds and become spiritually strong or try to find loopholes and circumvent the laws, that's not directly the caliph's problem. Of course, he should have ways to deal with these recalcitrants, but he has fulfilled the first obligation of "forbidding evil by the hand."

Of not, a BIG problem, a deadly vicious cycle will engulf us.

No caliph => too much fitnah

Too much fitnah => People say, "What's the use of a caliph if people are so corrupt?"

Result => futher away from a caliphate and fitnah worsens

What happens? Double trouble! A never-ending game which plays DIRECTLY into the hands of the orientalists/secularists/modernists who ACTIVELY SEEK to preserve the status quo.

It is to break this cycle that the sheik delivered such a khutbah (like many, many others - including Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai rah. with his famous bayaanat)

Jazakallah khair

[hHwJ229h]

Is it permissible to talk about politics and 'big things' in a friday khutbah? (the shar`ee khutbah that is part of jum`ah).

[saruxanset]

Vagabond, is that a serious question?

So much attention is given to this khateeb, but the real issue is WHAT he said.

Subhanna Allah. People lecture each other about the length of one's beard, but one is up in arms about speaking Haqq?

[endulundaSauh]

Is it permissible to talk about politics and 'big things' in a friday khutbah? (the shar`ee khutbah that is part of jum`ah).

Khilafat is a part of Islam. Islam encompass every aspect of our lives. I don't think what the Imam said will come under vain talk about petty politics. Establishing Khilafat is Fard Kifaya.

You see brother, that is the WHOLE POINT of having a caliphate!!!

If people are not spritually strong, we need a caliph to establish a framework that would guide people towards that end.

Of course, a caliph is not charged with washing everyone's hearts, but not even the ambiyaa were ordered to do so. They invited, and it was up to people to accept.

Plus, a caliph has been empowered with amr bil ma'foof wa nahy anil munkar of the HAND. So he is allowed - rather, commanded - to destroy evil - music, movies etc. physically. We can sit down and complain, that there is too much fitnah nowadays, but a caliph can actually go out and change things, bi iznillah.

Now, whether people accept his deeds and become spiritually strong or try to find loopholes and circumvent the laws, that's not directly the caliph's problem. Of course, he should have ways to deal with these recalcitrants, but he has fulfilled the first obligation of "forbidding evil by the hand."

Of not, a BIG problem, a deadly vicious cycle will engulf us.

No caliph => too much fitnah

Too much fitnah => People say, "What's the use of a caliph if people are so corrupt?"

Result => futher away from a caliphate and fitnah worsens

What happens? Double trouble! A never-ending game which plays DIRECTLY into the hands of the orientalists/secularists/modernists who ACTIVELY SEEK to preserve the status quo.

It is to break this cycle that the sheik delivered such a khutbah (like many, many others - including Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai rah. with his famous bayaanat)

Jazakallah khair

Well said Akhi. Its indeed has become a viscous cycle.