[gydrorway]

Can you please all tell me your own experiences of people who you may have encountered that are gay, how you treat them, how your society treats them and how Islam says they should be treated? I would very much like to hear about this subject.

Thank you.

[Abebpabeniemo]

I don't think anyone should have a problem with Homosexuals, nor should they be outcasted. The problem is in zina/sexual act, that they do which is the issue.

They should be given the proper dawah.

[Kamepherype]

Bismillah Al-Rehman Al-Raheem

Dear Sister:

May Allah guide us all on the Straight Path and give us the courage and strength and intellect to do His will.

Sister, I wanted to ask whether you had time to read the recently added responses to your thread, "Evidence that Quran is from God." The reason I am asking, Sister, is because I believe the wiser and more practical move is to first determine whether the religion is the truth. If you go on a quest to discover rulings about certain matters instead of trying to figure out out the very important and life-determinative question of whether Allah's (God's) will is Islam, then you will find confusion and denial in yourself. Or put another way, generally, the natural and fallible tendency of any human being in a matter that the person has not properly investigated is to reject any part of the explanation that does not agree with the person's own unique logic, set of circumstances, or experience because the person has not yet had the understanding of what the big picture is. In that case, any religion-based propositions put forth are rejected because the person in question relies instead on preconceived notions and humanistic motives to determine whether such a ruling should exist at all.

In Islam, the big picture starts and ends with Allah and His will, not ours. So, to properly put any matter into perspective (homosexuality or otherwise), I recommend that you instead keep to asking Allah for guidance and investigate whether Islam is the truth.

However, to answer your thread's questions, the gay people I had the opportunity to meet (when I was in college) were really nice individuals. However, of course, their life was divorced from any religion or spiritually-oriented philosophy. They could not reconcile their own sexual orientation and their views on the subject with any religion. I treated them nicely. (My heart had not submitted to Islam at that point in my life, however.)

I am not sure what you mean when you use the term "society" so-to-speak because I live in America, and I do not presently know any gay individuals (to the best of my knowledge).

Islam recognizes any engagement in homosexual behavior as a sin just as any type of zina is a sin. You know, a hadith of the Prophet says that religion/deen is advice (of which I cannot at this time remember the reference but perhaps someone else may kindly provide herein Insha-Allah). So, Quran advises every God-cognizant individual to live a life of purity, chastity, prayer, commitment to practice of restraint from forbidden behaviors and practice of encouraged behaviors described in the Quran. In a Caliphate, any behavior that is outside the bounds of legal behavior (since Islam does legislate moral behavior) may lead the person committing the immoral crime a legal punishment, but that has many rules attached that someone else may be in a better position to explain than I am.

Also, Islam makes a differentiation between the sin and the sinner. So, any sinner (no matter what type of behavior) will be forgiven by Allah if he repents, if he is sincere about giving up the sin. So, we do not say that so-and-so person is evil or bad, but we say the particular behavior that goes against Allah's will when Allah has made the matter clear is evil or bad. So, we do not judge the sinner, only the sin.

I hope my explanation is clear, and please forgive me for any deficiencies that you may find in what I have written.

If you desire a full explanation, sites like Sunnipath will provide a better and fuller answer than any layperson.

Thank you for your question.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah; and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[Sadsidioribre]

Dr.Salah Al-Sawy says:

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful,

All praise is due to Allah, and may peace and blessing be upon the Messenger of Allah, upon his family, his companions and whoever follows him. To proceed:

Homosexuality is prohibited in Shari`ah, and it is counted among the major sins. A Muslim must be wary of that and offer the obligatory advice to whomever has been tried with anything of the sort, explaining to them the harmful effects, religiously, morally, socially and medically, while praying for them to repent. Then, he must dissociate himself from them thereafter if they insist on their wrongdoing. As for punishing them for it, that is not for individuals; that is to be left to the general authorities.

And Allah Almighty is the Most High, and He knows best. http://www.amjaonline.com/en_f_details.php?fid=76277

[NEWyear]

one of the ppl that I work (do research with) with is gay. he's not a muslim tho. i treat him like i do any normal non-muslim i know. sure he is sinning horribly by CHOOSING to live the way he does, but so are all the majority of non-muslim students who engage in sex out of wedlock. point is they didn't stop being humans on account of their sins, no matter how bad. we ask that allah iude them to the truth ISLAM, and cure these diseases/addictions of the nafs that they suffer from.

[conurgenceDen]

is it necessary to observe hijaab with homeosexual's, since seeing that they are not attracted to the opposite gender?

[geraint.faughn]

I don't think anyone should have a problem with Homosexuals, nor should they be outcasted. The problem is in zina/sexual act, that they do which is the issue.

They should be given the proper dawah.

I agree with you 100% Brother. I don't have an issue with people who are gay. My one question some states in the US want to pass a constitutional amendment asking should the definition of marriage be specified as only between and man and a woman. As a muslim can 1 vote no for this amendment or should we vote yes?

[Sadsidioribre]

@mmb786:

Dr. Main Khalid Al-Qudah says:

Alhamdu Lillah

An adult Muslim female has to be fully covered in front of a homosexual woman or a lesbian, to be careful when interacting with her, and to keep her relationship with her to the minimum and as needed only. This rule is in consideration with the potential consequences of dealing with lesbians normally as they may seduce their prey and mislead her to the wrong path they are taking.
Same rule applies when a Muslim woman has to interact with a gay as he is a male and has the sexual lust others have, even if he is a homosexual. http://www.amjaonline.com/en_f_details.php?fid=82885

[conurgenceDen]

ok, so it is necessary.

[gydrorway]

one of the ppl that I work (do research with) with is gay. he's not a muslim tho. i treat him like i do any normal non-muslim i know. sure he is sinning horribly by CHOOSING to live the way he does, but so are all the majority of non-muslim students who engage in sex out of wedlock. point is they didn't stop being humans on account of their sins, no matter how bad. we ask that allah iude them to the truth ISLAM, and cure these diseases/addictions of the nafs that they suffer from.

I notice that you use CAPITALS to when using the word CHOOSING. On what grounds do you base this?

I think it is slightly naive of you, excuse me if that offends you, to suggest that it is only non-muslims who engage in sex outside marriage. Humans are humans regardless of religion.

[gydrorway]

is it necessary to observe hijaab with homeosexual's, since seeing that they are not attracted to the opposite gender?

Interesting question and also I wonder about muslims lesbians and how the Hijab applies then? If it such a taboo in muslim society about being gay, how do you ever know who really is gay, as they fear the consequences of revealing the sexuality?

[gydrorway]

They should be given the proper dawah.

Can you please expand on this in more detail? Thanks

[gydrorway]

Bismillah Al-Rehman Al-Raheem

Dear Sister:

May Allah guide us all on the Straight Path and give us the courage and strength and intellect to do His will.

Sister, I wanted to ask whether you had time to read the recently added responses to your thread, "Evidence that Quran is from God." The reason I am asking, Sister, is because I believe the wiser and more practical move is to first determine whether the religion is the truth. If you go on a quest to discover rulings about certain matters instead of trying to figure out out the very important and life-determinative question of whether Allah's (God's) will is Islam, then you will find confusion and denial in yourself. Or put another way, generally, the natural and fallible tendency of any human being in a matter that the person has not properly investigated is to reject any part of the explanation that does not agree with the person's own unique logic, set of circumstances, or experience because the person has not yet had the understanding of what the big picture is. In that case, any religion-based propositions put forth are rejected because the person in question relies instead on preconceived notions and humanistic motives to determine whether such a ruling should exist at all.

In Islam, the big picture starts and ends with Allah and His will, not ours. So, to properly put any matter into perspective (homosexuality or otherwise), I recommend that you instead keep to asking Allah for guidance and investigate whether Islam is the truth.

However, to answer your thread's questions, the gay people I had the opportunity to meet (when I was in college) were really nice individuals. However, of course, their life was divorced from any religion or spiritually-oriented philosophy. They could not reconcile their own sexual orientation and their views on the subject with any religion. I treated them nicely. (My heart had not submitted to Islam at that point in my life, however.)

I am not sure what you mean when you use the term "society" so-to-speak because I live in America, and I do not presently know any gay individuals (to the best of my knowledge).

Islam recognizes any engagement in homosexual behavior as a sin just as any type of zina is a sin. You know, a hadith of the Prophet says that religion/deen is advice (of which I cannot at this time remember the reference but perhaps someone else may kindly provide herein Insha-Allah). So, Quran advises every God-cognizant individual to live a life of purity, chastity, prayer, commitment to practice of restraint from forbidden behaviors and practice of encouraged behaviors described in the Quran. In a Caliphate, any behavior that is outside the bounds of legal behavior (since Islam does legislate moral behavior) may lead the person committing the immoral crime a legal punishment, but that has many rules attached that someone else may be in a better position to explain than I am.

Also, Islam makes a differentiation between the sin and the sinner. So, any sinner (no matter what type of behavior) will be forgiven by Allah if he repents, if he is sincere about giving up the sin. So, we do not say that so-and-so person is evil or bad, but we say the particular behavior that goes against Allah's will when Allah has made the matter clear is evil or bad. So, we do not judge the sinner, only the sin.

I hope my explanation is clear, and please forgive me for any deficiencies that you may find in what I have written.

If you desire a full explanation, sites like Sunnipath will provide a better and fuller answer than any layperson.

Thank you for your question.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah; and anything other than that is my own mistake.

Thank you Anybody, yes I did read all the replies there. I have a few stumbling blocks in my way when it comes to Islam and I feel unless I conquer them I cannot accept it fully. I was an al la carte christian and I dont intend to do the same in Islam. Call it stubborness, i dont know, it is not because I am humanistic, far from it, I see GOD in this world around me everyday.

I see the point you are making about the different between the sin and the sinner but I asked the question of all the group here as I know that there is very strong hatred against gay people in some muslim countries and for the life of me, I cant understand it and will never condone it. The gay people faced this too in the West and are still fighting it in some areas. It's almost as if in certain parts of the world, it is the worst possible sin to commit.

Thank you for your answer.

[rozettasmolanov]

Hi ftannouss,

Homosexuality is not "embedded" into human's gene as we are led to believe by the mass media. The paper regarding homosexuality tendency and gene was submitted by a homosexual researcher himself in the 1990's and had been refuted many times by other research papers but the mass media keep on portraying that homosexual orientation was not a choice but rather as a result of certain gene arrangements which is not true. The funny part was the mass media didn't quote other papers that show there's no link between homosexual tendencies and gene arrangement.

Regarding hatred against gay people. I wouldn't categorize it as 'hatred' towards the people, it's more towards the activities itself. If the said gay people then choose to change their tendencies, there's no reason to not accept them back.

[KuRoregioNka]

In practice, we do not actively prosecute gays, because we can't convict unless five people (all of them with strict preconditions) saw the actual sexual offence being committed. Anything less, and it is the accuser that is punished.

Even to say "He is gay" without supporting witnesses or proofs is a serious offence of slander.

We don't punish men just for being a bit girly, hugging's perfectly fine, holding hands is normal in some countries. Holding hands is unusual in my country but we just let it pass. We don't ask, but assume good things.

I once read about two girls from Somalia, who were accustomed to holding hands when walking about and it is normal in their country. Then they went to America to study, and people there thought they were lesbians and some acted very negatively.

[gydrorway]

In practice, we do not actively prosecute gays, because we can't convict unless five people (all of them with strict preconditions) saw the actual sexual offence being committed. Anything less, and it is the accuser that is punished.

Even to say "He is gay" without supporting witnesses or proofs is a serious offence of slander.

We don't punish men just for being a bit girly, hugging's perfectly fine, holding hands is normal in some countries. Holding hands is unusual in my country but we just let it pass. We don't ask, but assume good things.

I once read about two girls from Somalia, who were accustomed to holding hands when walking about and it is normal in their country. Then they went to America to study, and people there thought they were lesbians and some acted very negatively.

If there are 5 witnessess, What is the punishment according to Shariah?

[NEWyear]

Salam there must be required witnesses and it must be a shariah governed state of course...and i'm not sure if there are any other conditions and what they are. But when all the conditions are met (i.e. witnesses are present etc. etc.) OR the person confesses to the act of their own accord (and no they're not being water-boarded...this ain't america) then.

there isd probably a lot more to the proceedings etc. but with the absence of a truly shariah ruled state most muslims are (including myself) know very little about the issue.

The sentence for sodomy is death...i believe you push them from a high ledge to their death as that most accurately reflects the punishment meted out to sodom.

[gydrorway]

Hi ftannouss,

Homosexuality is not "embedded" into human's gene as we are led to believe by the mass media. The paper regarding homosexuality tendency and gene was submitted by a homosexual researcher himself in the 1990's and had been refuted many times by other research papers but the mass media keep on portraying that homosexual orientation was not a choice but rather as a result of certain gene arrangements which is not true. The funny part was the mass media didn't quote other papers that show there's no link between homosexual tendencies and gene arrangement.

Thank you Faizol. Do you have the name of this researcher from the 1990's? Even in the parts of the west being GAY automatically means hardship, it would be alot easier to deny what you are and marry and have a family. I fail to see how you could chose this way. I feel very sorry for people who face this struggle. Life is hard enough.

[gydrorway]

We muslim therefore do think homosexuality needs to be cured. Otherwise the they should be punished for trangressing the law of nature, and the society at large
Allahualam.

How do you cure this? Is is not a disease! And what do you think the punishment should be?

[bitymnmictada]

Sister next time open a slightly hygienic thread.