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**Metalhead** · 10-25-2011, 11:22 AM

ASWW
What are opinions here about the famous poet of Pakistan, Iqbal?

**DavidQD** · 10-25-2011, 11:42 AM

He was a good person

**gueremaisse** · 10-25-2011, 11:58 AM

He was an aashiq-e-rasool (Sallalaho Alehe Wasalam)

**shodulsilfeli** · 10-25-2011, 01:06 PM

ASWW
What are opinions here about the famous poet of Pakistan, Iqbal?

Absolute genius and was inspired from Divine. Every single night I read some Allama Iqbal before going to bed though I dont understand it. Trying to understand it really expands your mind.

**Metalhead** · 10-25-2011, 01:10 PM

ASWW
Ok only positives here but look at this for example:

"Iqbal is capable of writing biting satire. Two examples are: “Give Me Another Adversary”, in which Satan argues that he deserves a better rival than Adam, and “Scorpion Land,” which criticizes slave mentality.
Mustansir Mir"
http://www.allamaiqbal.com/

**shodulsilfeli** · 10-25-2011, 01:49 PM

ASWW
Ok only positives here but look at this for example:

"Iqbal is capable of writing biting satire. Two examples are: “Give Me Another Adversary”, in which Satan argues that he deserves a better rival than Adam, and “Scorpion Land,” which criticizes slave mentality.
Mustansir Mir"
http://www.allamaiqbal.com/

Are you asking for a fatwa on him? Gotta consult the ulama fuqaha for that.

**boleroman** · 10-25-2011, 02:29 PM

Allama Sir Dr Muhammed Iqbal (RA) had got, apart from other training, German education. His writing are filled with idealism-not really surprising for the German connection. And he is also known as poet philosopher. Some people feel that he would have been great philosopher if he would have developed his idea of khudi (self, may be ego) further. I have seen portions of an Urdu documentary in which the narrator (perhaps because of the narrator's leftist bent) asserts that there was Islamic socialism in Iqbal's writings. Now all these isms are external to Islam and therefore it will not be difficult to find problems with his writings. Apart from the things I have mentioned above there is an obvious current of rebellion in his writings. This, as you too have identified, is not in line with the requirement of abdiat. Now having said all these things one is still obliged to take the the stock of things as a whole. Moreover since he is no more we are also obliged to make every effort to do taweel for him. Personally this sinner feels that one does not have to try too much to do that for Allama Iqbal. In the overall view he'll come out in the green and not in the red. But one has of course to do some work for that. As a result one will be safe to put Iqbal on a high pedestal as a Muslim. In any case there is no doubt about the fact that he was an Islamist-a man inclined towards Islam. And what more one requires?
(My two paisas.)
Wassalam

**KasaBalak** · 10-26-2011, 02:52 AM

Absolute genius and was inspired from Divine. Every single night I read some Allama Iqbal before going to bed though I dont understand it. Trying to understand it really expands your mind.

Just checked this website

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http://www.allamaiqbal.com/
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Why is he clean-shaven ?

**bestformaldress23** · 10-26-2011, 02:58 AM

Just checked this website

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http://www.allamaiqbal.com/
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Why is he clean-shaven ?

because he is ashiq e rasool......

**xFZ3k8Mw** · 10-26-2011, 03:31 AM

Just checked this website

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http://www.allamaiqbal.com/
#########

Why is he clean-shaven ?

According to some sources, he became more practising by the end of his lifetime, stopped taking pictures and kept most of his correspondence on islamic issues with Allama Kashmiri R.A

**Marlboro-oroblraM** · 10-26-2011, 03:49 AM

Allama Iqbal was greatly influenced by Schacht, the German orientalist. During Allam Iqbal's earlier career his thoughts echoed that of his teacher which were naturally insidious. His series of lectures which has been published in a book form Reconstruction of Islamic Thought (correct me if i'm mistaken) has many orientalist ideas infused within it.

However, later on in life he developed a companionship with Maulana Syed Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi who alhumdulillah erased many of his earlier thoughts. His works written from this period are far more Islamic.

I hope this helps.

**shodulsilfeli** · 10-26-2011, 04:20 AM

Allama Iqbal is without doubt one of my heros. Such a thinker and poet is rare in the Muslim history. Let us ask the Ameer ul Mumineen Mufti Husain sahib (db) if he can compare any other Muslim poet in history of Islam who had influence such as Allama Iqbal did in the formation of a totally unique and independent Islamic country for Muslims because afterall, Allama Iqbal is the foundation of Pakistan and if you dont believe me then just ask Moulana Taliban.

**JosephNF** · 10-26-2011, 05:31 AM

Allama Iqbal is without doubt one of my heros. Such a thinker and poet is rare in the Muslim history. Let us ask the Ameer ul Mumineen Mufti Husain sahib (db) if he can compare any other Muslim poet in history of Islam who had influence such as Allama Iqbal did in the formation of a totally unique and independent Islamic country for Muslims because afterall, Allama Iqbal is the foundation of Pakistan and if you dont believe me then just ask Moulana Taliban.

I hope for Allamah saheb's sake that he had grown at least a stubble in his final days to be considered authentic on this
forum ...

**shodulsilfeli** · 10-26-2011, 05:52 AM

People have made their own name and fame and millions simply from hating on Allama Iqbal.

**gueremaisse** · 10-26-2011, 06:02 AM

People have made their own name and fame and millions simply from hating on Allama Iqbal.

i second that

**JosephNF** · 10-26-2011, 06:02 AM

totally unique and independent Islamic country for Muslims because afterall, Allama Iqbal is the foundation of Pakistan

:gasp:, Hazrat you are now officially asking for trouble ... ;p
i mean mentioning pakistan like that ... i admire you guts

**DavidShreder** · 10-26-2011, 06:30 AM

Didn't he recite 1 million duroods in one sittiing? Or was it over a period of time?

**WertyNtont** · 10-26-2011, 08:58 AM

Hazrat Dr. Nadir Ali khan sahab damathu barakatuhum once told me that Mirza ghalib would spend the night reciting couplets and tying knots to a cloth.. and he would connect them further by forming couplets and untie them at dawn.. while Hazrat Allama Iqbal sahab

would spend the night weeping with his one leg streched out moving it sideways and reciting Ash'ar.. it seemed as if inspired to him by ilham.. for a few years he had stopped writing and said he could not .. since he dint feel it coming.. was under some kind of Qabz.. then later on he again regained this blessing..

wa assalam..

**gueremaisse** · 10-26-2011, 01:43 PM

According to some sources, he became more practising by the end of his lifetime, stopped taking pictures and kept most of his correspondence on islamic issues with Allama Kashmiri R.A

he corresponded lot with Allama Kashmiri on the issue of 'zaman o makan in islamic point of view'. he also wrote a letter to Pir Meher Ali Shah on the same issue. he had a lot of respect for both of them.

**CHyLmxDr** · 10-26-2011, 01:44 PM

zaman or makan. Tell me about this issue. I heard somebody mention something about it. You know of any mashaikh who can traverse zaman and makan or who have mentioned anything close to this?

10-25-2011, 11:22 AM	#1
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10-25-2011, 01:06 PM	#4
shodulsilfeli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	ASWW What are opinions here about the famous poet of Pakistan, Iqbal? Absolute genius and was inspired from Divine. Every single night I read some Allama Iqbal before going to bed though I dont understand it. Trying to understand it really expands your mind. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-25-2011, 01:10 PM	#5
Metalhead Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	ASWW Ok only positives here but look at this for example: "Iqbal is capable of writing biting satire. Two examples are: “Give Me Another Adversary”, in which Satan argues that he deserves a better rival than Adam, and “Scorpion Land,” which criticizes slave mentality. Mustansir Mir" http://www.allamaiqbal.com/ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-25-2011, 01:49 PM	#6
shodulsilfeli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	ASWW Ok only positives here but look at this for example: "Iqbal is capable of writing biting satire. Two examples are: “Give Me Another Adversary”, in which Satan argues that he deserves a better rival than Adam, and “Scorpion Land,” which criticizes slave mentality. Mustansir Mir" http://www.allamaiqbal.com/ Are you asking for a fatwa on him? Gotta consult the ulama fuqaha for that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-25-2011, 02:29 PM	#7
boleroman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	Allama Sir Dr Muhammed Iqbal (RA) had got, apart from other training, German education. His writing are filled with idealism-not really surprising for the German connection. And he is also known as poet philosopher. Some people feel that he would have been great philosopher if he would have developed his idea of khudi (self, may be ego) further. I have seen portions of an Urdu documentary in which the narrator (perhaps because of the narrator's leftist bent) asserts that there was Islamic socialism in Iqbal's writings. Now all these isms are external to Islam and therefore it will not be difficult to find problems with his writings. Apart from the things I have mentioned above there is an obvious current of rebellion in his writings. This, as you too have identified, is not in line with the requirement of abdiat. Now having said all these things one is still obliged to take the the stock of things as a whole. Moreover since he is no more we are also obliged to make every effort to do taweel for him. Personally this sinner feels that one does not have to try too much to do that for Allama Iqbal. In the overall view he'll come out in the green and not in the red. But one has of course to do some work for that. As a result one will be safe to put Iqbal on a high pedestal as a Muslim. In any case there is no doubt about the fact that he was an Islamist-a man inclined towards Islam. And what more one requires? (My two paisas.) Wassalam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 02:52 AM	#8
KasaBalak Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Absolute genius and was inspired from Divine. Every single night I read some Allama Iqbal before going to bed though I dont understand it. Trying to understand it really expands your mind. Just checked this website ######## http://www.allamaiqbal.com/ ######### Why is he clean-shaven ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 02:58 AM	#9
bestformaldress23 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	Just checked this website ######## http://www.allamaiqbal.com/ ######### Why is he clean-shaven ? because he is ashiq e rasool...... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 03:31 AM	#10
xFZ3k8Mw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	Just checked this website ######## http://www.allamaiqbal.com/ ######### Why is he clean-shaven ? According to some sources, he became more practising by the end of his lifetime, stopped taking pictures and kept most of his correspondence on islamic issues with Allama Kashmiri R.A Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 03:49 AM	#11
Marlboro-oroblraM Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 376 Senior Member	Allama Iqbal was greatly influenced by Schacht, the German orientalist. During Allam Iqbal's earlier career his thoughts echoed that of his teacher which were naturally insidious. His series of lectures which has been published in a book form Reconstruction of Islamic Thought (correct me if i'm mistaken) has many orientalist ideas infused within it. However, later on in life he developed a companionship with Maulana Syed Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi who alhumdulillah erased many of his earlier thoughts. His works written from this period are far more Islamic. I hope this helps. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 04:20 AM	#12
shodulsilfeli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	Allama Iqbal is without doubt one of my heros. Such a thinker and poet is rare in the Muslim history. Let us ask the Ameer ul Mumineen Mufti Husain sahib (db) if he can compare any other Muslim poet in history of Islam who had influence such as Allama Iqbal did in the formation of a totally unique and independent Islamic country for Muslims because afterall, Allama Iqbal is the foundation of Pakistan and if you dont believe me then just ask Moulana Taliban. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 05:31 AM	#13
JosephNF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	Allama Iqbal is without doubt one of my heros. Such a thinker and poet is rare in the Muslim history. Let us ask the Ameer ul Mumineen Mufti Husain sahib (db) if he can compare any other Muslim poet in history of Islam who had influence such as Allama Iqbal did in the formation of a totally unique and independent Islamic country for Muslims because afterall, Allama Iqbal is the foundation of Pakistan and if you dont believe me then just ask Moulana Taliban. I hope for Allamah saheb's sake that he had grown at least a stubble in his final days to be considered authentic on this forum ... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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shodulsilfeli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	People have made their own name and fame and millions simply from hating on Allama Iqbal. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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gueremaisse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	People have made their own name and fame and millions simply from hating on Allama Iqbal. i second that Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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JosephNF Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	totally unique and independent Islamic country for Muslims because afterall, Allama Iqbal is the foundation of Pakistan :gasp:, Hazrat you are now officially asking for trouble ... ;p i mean mentioning pakistan like that ... i admire you guts Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 06:30 AM	#17
DavidShreder Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	Didn't he recite 1 million duroods in one sittiing? Or was it over a period of time? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 08:58 AM	#18
WertyNtont Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	Hazrat Dr. Nadir Ali khan sahab damathu barakatuhum once told me that Mirza ghalib would spend the night reciting couplets and tying knots to a cloth.. and he would connect them further by forming couplets and untie them at dawn.. while Hazrat Allama Iqbal sahab would spend the night weeping with his one leg streched out moving it sideways and reciting Ash'ar.. it seemed as if inspired to him by ilham.. for a few years he had stopped writing and said he could not .. since he dint feel it coming.. was under some kind of Qabz.. then later on he again regained this blessing.. wa assalam.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 01:43 PM	#19
gueremaisse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	According to some sources, he became more practising by the end of his lifetime, stopped taking pictures and kept most of his correspondence on islamic issues with Allama Kashmiri R.A he corresponded lot with Allama Kashmiri on the issue of 'zaman o makan in islamic point of view'. he also wrote a letter to Pir Meher Ali Shah on the same issue. he had a lot of respect for both of them. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-26-2011, 01:44 PM	#20
CHyLmxDr Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 429 Senior Member	zaman or makan. Tell me about this issue. I heard somebody mention something about it. You know of any mashaikh who can traverse zaman and makan or who have mentioned anything close to this? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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