[carfAball]

how someone refers to there dog isnt a clear indication of anything,

It is today. It is today.

.old dogmen call there apbts, bulldogs you gonna go correct them and tell them the proper term is american pit bull terrier?

There is a difference between the use of a very old traditional term and the use of a term ("blue nose") that is just a few years old;and is nothing but an effort to take advantage of the perceived cachet and status of "red nose" (which true usage is for a very specific family of dogs -- and someone other than myself can clue you in on that)...but that's all it is -- trying to coat-tail off the "red-nose" term.

Carla

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

Call it pre-judging or whatever you want but statistically speaking those who dont know normally mention the color of the nose and those who normally know will mention the bloodlines and not the color of the nose.

absolutely spot on.....
if i asked somebody about their dog and they described the colour of its nose.......that would be the end of the conversation !

[Golotop]

absolutely spot on.....
if i asked somebody about their dog and they described the colour of its nose.......that would be the end of the conversation !

Yup yup, besides if you know the bloodline in question then you probably already got an idea of what the dog already looks like so no need to ask what color the nose is.

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

Yup yup, besides if you know the bloodline in question then you probably already got an idea of what the dog already looks like so no need to ask what color the nose is.

agreed....
poor old me....ive suffered these crappy old black noses all these years

[arriplify]

Ugh rednose colby? and Bluenose Lines? WOW...

14yrs huh? If you are so experienced...You wouldn't even THINK to post the stupidity you posted, rednose colby? Or Bluenose lines?...wow wow wow.

I am so sick of nose color bullshit.

Im sorry but when you refer to your dogs nose leather as a type or breed your an idiot.

Yes, with bloodlines there is some different traits in the genes. But overall, each dog is going to act the way its going to act. I had 2 colby lined dogs, from the same litter, both dogs were polar opposites. COLOR has nothing to do with it.

[alias]

poor new b's they always get the worst of it when they first start on here!

[MilenaMKB]

poor new b's they always get the worst of it when they first start on here!

you beat me on that one

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

poor new b's they always get the worst of it when they first start on here!

yes but wouldnt you agree if often pays to learn about something before you buy it not after....and certainly not 14 years after

[lapInsalm]

I'm sure the Dogmen of the 30's-60's are rolling over in their graves when they see threads like this and to think what has happened to their Gamedogs and who owns them now and what has happened to the dogs.

[Haibundadam]

I understand the uproar. Nose color/temperment? Please tell me you are not serious? Ok, so she didn't know.........I'm new and kinda scared to post a question.

[tuszit]

Spend a few days/weeks reading, learning, searching your questions with the search function, learning the forum ettiquette and you won't have any problems. Just remember not everyone is going to have the same view point as you on all subjects.

[feseEscaple]

all this time i though bluenose was some made up BS. i just recently heard pie bald & meril (sp) blue fawn. dang these dogs went all designer. now korea has glow n' the dark dogs ain't that something K9 are hightech now

[trettegeani]

I have to agree that some responses are a little intimidating and rude and does not encourage new people to want to post a questions for fear of sounding stupid and being called out on it in a public forum.

I was excited about this forum as source of reference and experience but am less inclined to post when I see negative responses to other questions.

[alias]

lol dont run away this builds character, im sure everybody here has gotten shit from everybody at some point or anpther but like i said we respect the ones that take it, soak it in, and come back on with more knowledge!!
i was a member on another forum for a day, i was called a snitch, a cop (which was funny, if you knew me personaly!), an idiot, and a liar by the end of the day, but i stayed on and people started talkin to me on there! (later i was banned! but thats another story!) my point is stick around soak the knowledge and youll look back on these times and laugh about em!

[ultimda horaf]

I understand the uproar. Nose color/temperment? Please tell me you are not serious? Ok, so she didn't know.........I'm new and kinda scared to post a question.

Maybe ya'll should not be so quick to judge. Coat Color pigmentation does have an effect on temperament. Whether proven by the old russian experiment with the Russian Fox domestification where the calmer/less aggressive foxes could be selceted by color AND that coat color changed with further breeding and the foxes became even more docile...or...looking at the relationship of hormone chemistry/neural development/pigment production and the neurotrasmitters involved in "stress response"...Coat/Nose Color can and does influence dopamine (neuro), noradrenaline and adrenaline (hormones) and the production and movement of melanin.

[Amfdaaandhaq]

I think the OP meant Rednose/Colby as in OFRN x Colby, not a rednosed Colby dog. At least that's how I read it. And yes, color can affect temperament. For example, *most* blue dogs are staff bred & thus many have less DA & make better family pets whereas most blacknosed & rednosed dogs tend to be more game bred. They can be more drivey & thus would not make as good a pet for the average owner.

JMHO ...

P.S. - I agree the newbs catch a lot of flack. We should really be more inclined to educate instead of tongue lashing them with snarky remarks. All being mean to them will do is drive them off & they won't learn anything.

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

P.S. - I agree the newbs catch a lot of flack. We should really be more inclined to educate instead of tongue lashing them with snarky remarks. All being mean to them will do is drive them off & they won't learn anything.

but the original post was from somebody claiming to have 14 years experience in the breed......
everybody starts somewhere and we are all learning but dont bullshit.......because bullshit will always show itself,even on the internet !

[Kghikeds]

...And yes, color can affect temperament. For example, *most* blue dogs are staff bred & thus many have less DA & make better family pets whereas most blacknosed & rednosed dogs tend to be more game bred. They can be more drivey & thus would not make as good a pet for the average owner.

That isnt the color affecting the temperment, its the fact alot(not all) of blue 'pit bulls' just so happen to often have staff or are bullies. The color has nothing to do with the temperment. And What about all of the black nosed Amstaffs? Its a damn struggle to find an Am Staff without a black nose, damn near impossible. Because an AmStaff has a black nose is it going to be more drivey than blue nosed AmStaff? There are also dogs in the UKC that have just as much am staff as APBT that so happen to have red noses. What about them? The temperment is going to have more to do with how a dog is bred and raised then what color the nose or fur is. Color has absolutely no direct bearing on temperment.

[tuszit]

Maybe ya'll should not be so quick to judge. Coat Color pigmentation does have an effect on temperament. Whether proven by the old russian experiment with the Russian Fox domestification where the calmer/less aggressive foxes could be selceted by color AND that coat color changed with further breeding and the foxes became even more docile...or...looking at the relationship of hormone chemistry/neural development/pigment production and the neurotrasmitters involved in "stress response"...Coat/Nose Color can and does influence dopamine (neuro), noradrenaline and adrenaline (hormones) and the production and movement of melanin.

First, I know absolutely nothing about this so this is an uneducated opinion but it seems there are to many variables to conduct a valid "experiment" on color alone.

[palantownia]

The color of the dog means nothing to the temperment of said dog.
Some dogs/bloodlines carry certain traits,and colors of said line may show up more or less often,depending on what each generaation is bred with.This does not mean that ALL dogs of a specific color are wired for certain behavioural/physical traits,but certain bloodlines of dogs may have a dominant color scheme/behavioural predisposition to them.
Also, red nose and blue nose are NOT bloodlines, they are colors of the pigmentation of a dogs nose.Blue dogs are dilutes.The black pigment is diluted to blue,thus all black parts of the ''blue-nosed'' dog will end up being blue,through dilution.Blue dogs,i beleive are a ''fault''.
Have a great day.

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Maybe ya'll should not be so quick to judge. Coat Color pigmentation does have an effect on temperament. Whether proven by the old russian experiment with the Russian Fox domestification where the calmer/less aggressive foxes could be selceted by color AND that coat color changed with further breeding and the foxes became even more docile...or...looking at the relationship of hormone chemistry/neural development/pigment production and the neurotrasmitters involved in "stress response"...Coat/Nose Color can and does influence dopamine (neuro), noradrenaline and adrenaline (hormones) and the production and movement of melanin.

I am familiar with this experiment. whether the color was an indicator of temperment,or not,it may/may not have been the case here.it could have essentially been indirectly linked due to bloodline/interbreeding of said fox lines,or after generations of captive breeding,the semi-domesticted foxes,with limited genepool,had begun showing ''recessive qualities.''.It is a questionable experimental example at best,because too many variables went unexplored.
but in response to color/temperment relationships, i feel in certain circumstances this may be the case. Intense inbreeding can affect color and the genetics of the species involved quite rapidly.Though color is not a ''definate'' tempermental indicator,certain colors can have assosiated genetic flaws or precursors,ie,white cats, can have deafness,(however,not all white cats are deaf,just more suceptable to BE deaf) blue eyed cats can have certain eye issues,etc.It opens up ''predisposition'' to these qualities,but does not mean all of those,posessing the coloration or defect are afflicted. So,therefore colors can be predisposed to temperment,but is not a definate indicator of such.