[softy54534]

According to the Euros on this board, these are all lies, no truth to this at all.

Al Qaeda are breathing their last dying breaths. As such they are desperate to tap into or clutch anyone they can.

Of all the conversions to Islam worldwide ( phenonmenal numbers) they may well manage to brainwash a few, but that's all they will get. The majority of converts will not fall prey to their evil idealogy, just like the majority of Muslim's do not.

[LottiFurmann]

LOL! Yeah...the "last dying breaths" before killing more innocent people. You cannot create a peaceful religion under the immoral guidance of the clerics who advocate murder and violence.

Please tell the Iranian president, the Syrian president, the Somalian gangsters, the Sudanese Arab militia, the Hashemites and the Sauds that the radical Islamists are about to fade away. They will run to them with the bags of cash trying to reinvigorate them as it is the Al-Qiada, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc that keep the Arab tyrannies in power diverting the people's anger away from the internal corruption and problems.

you are wrong

The average Arab feels that it is the Western "democracies" that are propping up the corrupt nationalisitic leaders in the Mid East,

[TorryJens]

Mideastern states are largely the creations of the west. Synthetic maps that threw together disparate groups. And as a result you saw tribal or clan influences exerting one group to dominate or wipe out another. You see this in Iraq today which has suffered an endless series of coups and dictatorships all the way back to the 1920's. Similarly Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria and so on. All have experienced wave after wave of civil war, coups etc from internal not external forces regardless of how much pressure the west applied to keep whomever in power. Likewise in Iran by the way.

So were you to remove these strongmen what you'd see is successive dictatorships, civil anarchy, theocratic monarchies or Marxist states. You are of course free to choose whichever of those you think is best.

[MannoFr]

The average Arab lives in fantasy land. The western democracies couldn't prop up any government that the people were willing to tear down. This is an argument used to justify their INACTION and their SPINELESSNESS.

How can you expect Arabs to stand up to their corrupt government, when they won't even stand up to their corrupt mullahs and clerics???

Use some logic please.

Thank you.

Well i agree with you there, however bear in mind, that people only stand up to corrupt governments when they become AWARE.

You forget that a lot of these state governments, make sure their people are fed a distorted lie. This is changing, especially with access to media, satellite and internet. These are certainly educating people to the reality of their own situations.

Critical voices are speaking out.......change is inevitable....

[Big A]

http://hnn.us/articles/18242.html

Why Are Liberals So Weak In Middle East?

By Judith Apter Klinghoffer



From news article:

Ms. Klinghoffer is senior associate scholar at the Political Science department at Rutgers University, Camden, and the author of Vietnam, Jews and the Middle East. She is also an HNN blogger.

During a talk he gave at FPRI introducing his new book The Long War for Freedom , Barry Rubin estimated the percentage of democratic liberals in the region at 5% and Islamists at 25%. One may quibble about the exact percentage but it is difficult to ignore the obvious weakness of the reformist forces in the Middle East. The more consequential question is, why? The rote answer is because the region does not have a large enough middle class or its inhabitants are not sophisticated enough to insist on a voice in the running of their own governments. The failure of the genocidal Sunni insurgency in Iraq to prevent millions of Iraqis from casting their votes, demands an alternative explanation. It may be found in a significant part, in the manner so called “moderate” autocrats block any movement towards democracy not only in their own country but across the region. Hosni Mubarak is an excellent case in point because as the largest Arab state, Egypt is not only the region’s natural leader but it is determined to remain so. Moreover, its Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, is the place where Ayman al Zawahiri, of Al Qaeda fame, got his start. Unfortunately, recent events leave no doubt that it is not a Middle East spring but a reconstituted “Holy Alliance,” that the aging Egyptian autocrat is determined to lead and that he considers Islamists' strength and democratic liberals' weakness essential to his success.

In 1981 Hosni Mubarak was a young vice president who came to power because Anwar Sadat was assassinated by Islamists opposed to his peace with Israel. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by men opposed to his war against the Confederacy. Charles DeGaulle barely escaped an assassination attempt by those opposed to his giving up Algeria. Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by an opponent of the peace process. In the democracies, the assassinations turned the murdered leader into a martyr and discredited the ideological supporters of the murderers. Last week, Israel commemorated the anniversary of Rabin's assassination. "Thousands Mourn Rabin, 10 Years Later," read the headline. Everybody who was anybody in Israel, and a large number of dignitaries from around the world, gathered to praise the fallen hero united in their determination to delegitimize the assassination and to reaffirm his commitment to peace. No similar commemorations took place in Egypt at the 20th anniversary of Sadat’s assassination. “Egypt quietly marks Sadat's assassination, reported CBC. There were no public ceremonies, no foreign dignitaries. Only a speech by Mubarak praising not his peace with Israel but his “victory” in the 1973 War against Israel. In other words, Mubarak used the anniversary not to affirm Sadat’s peace with Israel but to distance himself from that peace. He did not do so because Sadat’s peace was unpopular with the people. It was not. Indeed, Egyptians were flocking to see the new biopic on his life. Mubarak did it to carry favor with the elite. His spokesman, Tahseen Basheer, said: "I have always believed that the overwhelming majority of Egyptians supported Sadat for making peace, even if they do not particularly like the way the Israelis behave. The opposition comes from the political and cultural elite, who never forgave him for going to Jerusalem to address the Knesset." There is evidence to back this.

[Paul Bunyan]

In other words pay no attention to the swarthy Arabic chattering one eye one hooked raving maniac in the mosque screaming about death to so and so.