[allachakb]

You are suggesting listening to the plumber on how much needs to be fixed. Thus the point of the (wildly exaggerated) metaphor. I agree things probably need fixing; but blindly listening to the engineers and construction companies is NOT the way to go...

But we're not blindly listening to the engineers. This organization is...akin to the BAR association for lawyers.

They, themselves, don't bid on contracts, and stand to make NO money from issuing their report. They collect dues from their members, who will continue to pay them, whether or not they get a few new government contracts.

But again, my main interest is in creating jobs, not dickering over whether the infrastructure is rated at a "D" or a "C+"

-=Vel=-

EDIT: At least not as far as I can tell. I went to their site, but didn't read all the fine print. It appears to me to be a dues driven organization and NOT a construction company who stands to profit from government contracts.

[bunkalapa]

Guild/Union/professional organizations are in business to MAKE MORE BUSINESS FOR THEIR MEMBERS, though. Don't ever forget that.

And, the government could randomly create jobs ... the point is to create jobs that are needed, and spend money in ways that is needed. Randomly spending money is NOT the solution.

Well sir...I don't see it as "randomly spending money" - the infrastructure needs improving, regardless of what "grade" you give it.

But I'm willing to agree to disagree.

-=Vel=-

[shinesw]

You are saying that Prince George - McBride - Valemount - Jasper - Hinton - Edmonton isn't a big trucking route?

It's the second behind only the transcanada, and it's got a much lower slope.

I don't know why you are calling bullshit.

Do you have photos of this two lane cow-path all the way to Edmonton?

[dremucha]

Further, cherry-picking can give false impressions. While its true that Japan's passenger rail system blows ours out of the water, it seems unlikely that their freight rail system is significantly better (and is perhaps worse, I don't know). This leaves aside the fact that we don't have much of a need for passenger rail, unlike Japan which has a great need for it.

[Wavgbtif]

Do you have photos of this two lane cow-path all the way to Edmonton? 4 lane interstate > 2 lane highway.

It would actually make more economic sense to upgrade this route to 4 lanes then the Trans-Canada because of the terrain involved.

You could do it pretty cheap if you upgraded double lane from Prince George to Tete Jaune Cache, and then again from Jasper to Edmonton.

[EtellaObtaite]

The only thing that will end the recession is Ben apologizing to me!

[ptmQqoxw]

4 lane interstate > 2 lane highway.

It would actually make more economic sense to upgrade this route to 4 lanes then the Trans-Canada because of the terrain involved.

You could do it pretty cheap if you upgraded double lane from Prince George to Tete Jaune Cache, and then again from Jasper to Edmonton.

When did you make this trip where you 'just got back from a trip to Edmonton, two lane all the way?' 1978?

[inve.tment]

When did you make this trip where you 'just got back from a trip to Edmonton, two lane all the way?' 1978? Are you claiming that it's a four lane highway?

Oh, forgive me.

Google maps say you lie.

dark orange = 4 lane highway.

light orange = 2 lane highway.

Notice how it's light orange all the way from Prince George to Edmonton?

Show me where it's a 4 lane highway NYE.

[PekHyvac]

This is 16 near Edson (between Hinton and Edmonton) I'm looking at another map and it shows divided highway for a short way near hinton. That's all I see.

I'm seeing it from Hinton to HWY 40, which is about maybe 10kms.

[drugstore]

Your map needs updating, or your disability is eyesight as well as hearing. Are you going to persist in lying about having just travelled it? It's been like this (4 lane, divided) for quite some time. It was as pictured when I drove to and from BC in ~1988. The entire length from Edmonton to somewhere short of the national park (Jasper) was completed over a long period of time, but it has been complete across the province for some time One of us is lying and it ain't me.

You are saying that from Hinton to Edmonton is all 4 lane? I have another recreational atlas which is from 1997, and they are saying that it's two lane.

[Mjxhnapi]

I did, which is why I know you are full of ****. I'm just trying to prove it.

Christ, Ben. If I had a large canon, I could hit the highway under discussion from where I sit.

Asher must be right. This reaches the level of pathology.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...ial-highway-16
Alberta provincial highway 16 is central and northern Alberta's primary east-west highway. It is part of the Yellowhead branch of the Trans-Canada Highway system. It spans from the Alberta-Saskatchewan border to the Alberta-British Columbia border. Almost the entire span of the highway is a minimum of two lanes in both directions and is divided. Within Alberta, it passes through Lloydminster, Edmonton, and Jasper.

[refsherne]

Almost the entire span of the highway is a minimum of two lanes in both directions and is divided. From where? From Lloydminster to the Alberta Border?

That's really sketchy NYE.

I haven't driven all the way from Edmonton to Lloydminster, which is half of the distance. I see pictures showing that it's twinned.

You've stated that from Hinton to Jasper isn't twinned, which confirms what I've been saying.

So the argument is just over the stretch from Hinton to Edmonton.

I'm not talking about the ring roads in Edmonton, NYE.

[Metalhead]

Incidentally, the feds coughed up cash for Saskatchewan and Manitoba (IIRC) to divide the Yellowhead (Hwy 16) as well. That was back around the turn of the century, but maybe your newspaper from Ontario didn't have an up to date map either. *snicker*

[bppstorr]

http://www.citizen.on.ca/news/2008/0...orial/021.html
As we see it, what Canada desperately needs is a commitment to bringing the country's highways up to a standard approaching that adopted by the Eisenhower administration in the 1970s, in the form of the Interstate highway system.

That's a sweet quote, Ben. It shows TWO people are morons at ONCE! I leave it up to the distinguished viewers of this thread to revel in the obvious error in fact in that statement.

(I make no comment about Canada's highway system, however, not knowing a ****ing thing about it.)

[xochex]

For someone who hasn't provided any dates of completion you sure are arrogant.

If it was done, you should be able to show me when, since as you said it was back in the stone age.

As for the Yellowhead, I don't believe either Saskatchewan or Manitoba has twinned the Yellowhead.

[AntonioXYZ]

Can you guys take this stimulating discussion to PM?

[ZenDers]

Can you guys take this stimulating discussion to PM?

I'm performing a public service.