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Old 10-06-2008, 03:01 AM   #21
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Just from knowing what Perot was "about" I find that extremely hard to believe (absent very manipulatively worded questions), but I'd certainly love to be proven wrong.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:10 AM   #22
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Originally posted by Darius871
Just from knowing what Perot was "about" I find that extremely hard to believe, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Well, the Washington Post had an article about the poll on Nov. 12, 1992, and USA Today had an article about the same poll on Nov. 4, 1992. The poll was conducted by Voter Research and Surveys, a group effort of the major tv networks.

Here is a link, I think, to a description of the poll, though not the results. Though maybe the results are there, and I just can't figure it out.

Granted, it is just one poll, and for all I know it's flawed or something.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:19 AM   #23
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Since Democrats have lost most of the presidential elections since Reagan first one I'm with Darius on this one.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:36 AM   #24
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How the hell is Wisconsin in contention this time around? Like I said, unique.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:44 AM   #25
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Wisconsin is usually considered a battleground state. It has been in every election I have been old enough to vote in. The thing about Wisconsin, is there are two centers of Dems: Madison and Milwaukee. The rest of the state is mostly Republicans. Every election is one way or another by only a few % points.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:45 AM   #26
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What ever. Yes, it's a virtual tie. Obama leads, but its close enough (undecided and margin of error) is almost 7-9%. Far more than the difference between the two candidates.

In any case, it's still considered a battleground state.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:55 AM   #27
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Wisconsin is one of the states receiving the resources McCain pulled out of Michigan, along with Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Maine.

That doesn't seem to be a wise move to me. All he needs to due is play defense in the states the GOP won in 2004; even giving up Iowa and New Mexico for lost, he'd still win the EC.
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:55 AM   #28
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hmmm, the banana option should have been 538, sorry about that.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:04 AM   #29
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Originally posted by Darius871
On the other hand, he didn't have anywhere near as much of a free-trade reputation until after events in his first term, and we're not talking about '96. Nobody in their right mind would argue Perot was a spoiler in '96, but arguing '92 isn't that far out of line. That is not true. Clinton ran on the issue of pushing through NAFTA. That was part of the "New Democrat" agenda that Clinton was running on. And he tackled it during his first year in office.
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:50 PM   #30
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


That is not true. Clinton ran on the issue of pushing through NAFTA. That was part of the "New Democrat" agenda that Clinton was running on. And he tackled it during his first year in office. Yeah, I looked it up and you're right. I'm too young for this ****.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:39 PM   #31
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Originally posted by Guynemer
I still think McCain is going to win. I don't think you really believe that. You're understandably protecting yourself from the all-too-well-known feeling of heartbreak after being optimistic in the past. But cautious optimism is a good thing. Don't be a pessimist.
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:47 PM   #32
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And the feds have delayed sentencing on Rezko. Even though it probably means he's rolling on our Gov, Obama could get caught up in it.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:16 PM   #33
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Originally posted by Kidicious
Obama has already shown himself capable of blowing a lead. When? With the exception of NH, Obama either matched or exceded the polling predictions in every primaries. And NH was because of the "Iowa bounce," which historically has always faded quickly. If you look at where he stood in NH a week before the IA caucuses, he did better than those polls predicted.
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:51 PM   #34
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Yeah, one of the few good things from the current administration. Daley and other state politicians have requested his removal a few time already. He's one of the best in the history of Illinois.
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