[GuitarLoverBe]

Ah. I miss the unerring belief in my atheism I had in highschool. Philosophy of Religion classes really managed to undermine my diehard conviction.

At the moment, I call myself an atheist as an easy short hand.

[Loovikeillilen]

Most atheists don't bother with reading philosophical texts on God, or medieval wisdom on monastic life, etc.

That's why most of their arguments are just the kind of crap that 12-year olds ask when they're old enough to understand that litteral interpretation of sacred texts obviously doesn't work, but are yet too ignorant of culture to try to seek answers beyond common discourse.

I'm probably not a believer per se, but I reckon that St. Augustine, Aquinas, Spinoza, (and plenty others) are much more intelligent than your typical 'if God created the world then who created God ?' folks.

[NarunapyCalry]

Atheist

[!!Aaroncheg]

Atheisim is a nice thought, but as about as nice a thought as communism or utopias are.

I haven't been to any atheist sites, but I am sure they are as funny as any other fanatical site would be.

[Pheboasmabs]

I'm curious too, Starchild. Aside from pointing out that most of their presuppositions are not applicable to my religious beliefs, I've never found anything to make the atheists STFU and leave us alone.

[colmedindustry]

I basically had to admit my limitations. While the human mind can conceive and understand the universe in all its glory and subtle beauty, anything that could be called God is outside our frame of reference. I can't prove or disprove whether such a being exists so I lead my life based on how I interpret the evidence to hand. That evidence right now seems to me to be a universe rather indifferent to our existence and where morality springs from human nature and society.

I've got no problem with people who believe in God. They've seen the evidence and interpreted it differently. Its people, atheists or fundementalists, who claim to know The Truth (tm) that get on my nerves.

I like Deism. I've got no moral problem with God starting the universe but then being actively involved afterwards raises some troubling questions for me.

[muBXvWIC]

IMO gods are for the superstitious, delusional, and brainwashed.

That being said, life is short. Which is why tolerance and the pursuit of secularism are most important.

[ananciguinter]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
That's why most of their arguments are just the kind of crap that 12-year olds ask when they're old enough to understand that litteral interpretation of sacred texts obviously doesn't work, but are yet too ignorant of culture to try to seek answers beyond common discourse.
OMG, I agree with Oncle Boris.

[Weislenalkata]

Most atheists believe in metaphysical stuff as mysterious and occult as God anyway. Your point ?

[Elissetecausa]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme


What statement of mine do you find wrong?
Care to elaborate so I can also respond to your posts? As your divine saviour, I will forgive your blasphemy for now. I realise that you are young and ignorant. Still, because it is a given that you would come to believe in me if only you studied just a bit more, why not just worship me now?

If you can't disprove me...then why *not* worship me?

[Pyuvjzwf]

I see where this thread is going... tolerance people!

The secret is tolerance. Oh and secularism. But definitely tolerance.

[Gideleb]

No mortal can morally demand worship from another.
Sure they can! Not everyone has the same set of morals after all.

[CHEAPPoem]

Originally posted by Lul Thyme


I wasn't defending atheists as such.
I wasn't even saying that I am against the idea of God.

I just find that the line of thought:
"You don't know for sure about God, therefore you must not choose either way and stay right in the middle"
is a bit hypocritical, as every single decision made, every opinion held is based on very imperfect evidence.

If you REALLY are on the fence with regards to the "evidence", fine.
But to say that not choosing is the only logical option is wrong, IMO. We agree, I was responding to Tass.

Oh and Tass -

[untostaronaf]

Originally posted by Tacc
Indeed. Many atheists have plenty of other strange beliefs, therefore clearly I am your God Even atheistlogic demands worshipping me.

Hard to defeat the "Comrade" is it not...?
indeed it is...
piece

[idobestbuyonlinepp]

Originally posted by Elok
Didn't you used to be a prophet of "teh Lord God Putin," Tass/Tassi/Tacc/whoever? Or am I thinking of someone else? I'm just saying, most of us aren't comfortable worshipping apostates... I used to be in hiding about my divinity (because I work in mysterious ways like that :|) and it is indeed true that Putin is an exceptional mortal, and so I pretended to worship him in order to get the rest of you to do so.

But really, your level of comfort is irrelevant. Since whatever I say is true, and since I am God, you have to worship me regardless. I transcend urlogic. Just have faith - it feels a lot better

[Todilrdc]

Originally posted by Tacc


I used to be in hiding about my divinity (because I work in mysterious ways like that :|) and it is indeed true that Putin is an exceptional mortal, and so I pretended to worship him in order to get the rest of you to do so.

But really, your level of comfort is irrelevant. Since whatever I say is true, and since I am God, you have to worship me regardless. I transcend urlogic. Just have faith - it feels a lot better

[Unlinozistimi]

So you are accepting your Mormonism now?

Jon Miller

[Waymninelia]

The Mormons used to be my chosen people, but then they strayed from the path...I mean, Kolob? WTF?

[Lyikmcmb]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Er, such as what ?


And which atheists appointed you as their mouthpiece ?

'Most', my arse. Some or all of the following:

a) free will
b) liberalism
c) moral retributivism
d) demockracy

[rostpribru]

I thought you would be Ockham shaving... care to show the opposite then ?