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Old 04-09-2007, 07:55 PM   #21
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No, but I schedule the payments far in advance (along with all my other monthly bills on the same day)
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:47 PM   #22
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I would presume the bill comes in on the day after the last day of the period, the bill amount would then be scheduled to be paid ~20 days later. It doesn't matter how many payments you make on your card, you only schedule one payment to clear the balance.

I have mine paid off by direct debit monthly, I just check the balance amount was correct, and then later that it was paid correctly, when the respective credit card and bank statements come through.
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:52 PM   #23
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Originally posted by Dauphin
I have mine paid off by direct debit monthly, I just check the balance amount was correct, and then later that it was paid correctly, when the respective credit card and bank statements come through. I'm too nervous to schedule automatic "pay in full". My CC bill is often close to the same size as my chequing account balance and I want to avoid overdraft problems.
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Old 04-09-2007, 11:55 PM   #24
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Originally posted by MarkG
how can it be identified that someone has a legit driver's license if there is no photo record and/or fingerprint record? Not quite sure... NZ used to have photo-less driver's licenses. It changed mostly because of the issue of underage drinkers using friends' licenses for ID at bars.

Do some countries demand photo ID when you pay by cheque?

And I'd be worried too if my government demanded I had photo ID. As it is, I carried my driver's license around in NZ to allow me to drink - but that was entirely voluntary. I don't like the idea of a random authority figure at home fining or arresting me because I didn't/couldn't show them official ID.

Of course, I have to live with that in Switzerland, because I'm not Swiss, which makes me a second-class citizen here. Although, since the Swiss need to prove their first-class status to the authorities, they must need to carry photo ID as well...
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:08 AM   #25
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One of the proposals is that the cards would have to be presented on a stop and search.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:42 AM   #26
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Well guess what you have to present every time you get stopped here?

Your state drivers license.

And what happens when they run it through their system?

Murderers, rapists, escaped prisoners, wanted felons, dead beat parents, and people with revoked drivers licenses get arrested. The last one is what they are actually looking for, but might as well check everything else while your at it.

And if you didn't do anything wrong what happens?

You get a ticket. You don't go to a concentration camp, you don't get summarily executed, your not reeducated, and they don't sell you into slavery to intergalactic visitors.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:45 AM   #27
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Well guess what you have to present every time you get stopped here?

Your state drivers license.

And what happens when they run it through their system?

Murderers, rapists, escaped prisoners, wanted felons, dead beat parents, and people with revoked drivers licenses get arrested. The last one is what they are actually looking for, but might as well check everything else while your at it.

And if you didn't do anything wrong what happens?

You get a ticket. You don't go to a concentration camp, you don't get summarily executed, your not reeducated, and they don't sell you into slavery to intergalactic visitors. Umm, you are assuming that the person was stopped for driving, rather than just being stopped in the street.

You also seem to be on a bit of a rant for no apparent reason.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:53 AM   #28
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I gave up reading Pekka rants a long time ago.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:59 AM   #29
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Originally posted by Dauphin
One of the proposals is that the cards would have to be presented on a stop and search. WIth proposals like that their backers should not be surprised that they have trouble convincing their constituents to accept something even so modest as photo identification on drivers license.

Who would want to have random stop and search authorized? And if random stop and search were *already* legal who would want to surrender any tools to such a government at all?

Or are you saying that random stop and searches aren't necessarily legal but that the proposal would apply only to stop and searches done while stopping for an oberved violation of the law? In that case who cares? Criminals will get booked (fingerprints, mugshot, etc) anyway so big deal if they have to present their ID at arrest.
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Old 04-10-2007, 03:37 AM   #30
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Originally posted by Geronimo


WIth proposals like that their backers should not be surprised that they have trouble convincing their constituents to accept something even so modest as photo identification on drivers license.

Who would want to have random stop and search authorized? And if random stop and search were *already* legal who would want to surrender any tools to such a government at all?

Or are you saying that random stop and searches aren't necessarily legal but that the proposal would apply only to stop and searches done while stopping for an oberved violation of the law? In that case who cares? Criminals will get booked (fingerprints, mugshot, etc) anyway so big deal if they have to present their ID at arrest. Section 44 of the Terrorism Act allows the police to stop and search anyone without need for cause by suspicion.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle579334.ece
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:06 AM   #31
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You can be held for 28 days without charge, government had pushed for 90 days but opposition was too strong.

Can you understand why trust in the government on these matters is rather low?
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:21 AM   #32
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Originally posted by Dauphin
Can you understand why trust in the government on these matters is rather low? Given the numerous powers you do allow them to have, no I can not.
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:48 AM   #33
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Originally posted by Patroklos
What is the harm of having a truely secure/modern ID? Especially if the consolidate the funcions of four or five other cards I already have in my wallet. There is no logical reason to be against this. Especially in Britain where they already have telescreens. What, apart from costing the same as twenty Millennium Domes?

There's the creation of a whole new class of 'ID crimes'. A £1000 fine or prison if you don't volunteer yourself to be fingerprinted and iris-scanned. Or if you move house without telling the ID people. Just what our packed prisons need.
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Old 04-10-2007, 10:18 AM   #34
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Originally posted by Dauphin


Section 44 of the Terrorism Act allows the police to stop and search anyone without need for cause by suspicion.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle579334.ece Please tell me there is far more opposition to this appalling authorization to stop and search everybody at random than there is to issuing a photo ID to everybody.
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:36 AM   #35
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Yeah, but a simple sanity check seperates the two. In that case I really do want a secure ID to make sure I gon't get a 28 day vacation.

Good movie btw You think that ID cards would prevent that?
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:16 PM   #36
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Given the numerous powers you do allow them to have, no I can not. How very black and white of you.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:24 PM   #37
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If you think that opposition hasn't been growing upon each erosion then it is your understandable lack of awareness that is at fault.

If the first step is not denied, does that mean that every subsequent step is acceptable because the last one wasn't opposed to as much?
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