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Old 10-15-2005, 07:00 AM   #1
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Hey AZB, you've had two real offers of help - Robert and MrMike - perhaps it is time to accept some help. You may be an electrical engineer, but you're sure not a software engineer... Get it done already! And most techs I know, probably have bigger porn collections than you, so, don't worry. Both Robert and MrMike have seen it all.
Porn collection? who ever said anything about porn collection? They are my wives in private atire. Thats all.
Anyway Rob, I think you hit it right on the button. It maybe the temp control. I did have my CPU fan stall once because a wire got tangled in it. The CPU became hot like an Iron and there was burning plastic smell. The PC froze but I was quickly able to isolate and fix the problem. The PC behaved well for some time and only messed around with me a few times in a few months period of time. Now all of the sudden it likes to freeze. So I turned on the A/C on the open PC and let it cool off a bit and then turned it on. It works like a charm. I can turn off the a/c afterwards and the pc works fine. Now when I try to turn on the pc in afternoon without a/c, it would boot but would freeze exactly after 1 minute or less. Now with a/c it works fine.
Do I have to change the mother board?
Thanks for the help Rob.
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Old 11-23-2005, 07:00 AM   #2
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It's your RAM.
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Old 11-30-2005, 07:00 AM   #3
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Could be:
1-Windows problem, to correct reinstall windows.
2-hardware problem, MB or HD, most likely a defective MB.
Try the first option FIRST.
Good luck
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:00 AM   #4
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My pc has gone nuts all of the sudden. When I am using it, it freezes. Then when I reboot it, it stops and windows doesn't start. Then I get a blue screen with a message "hardware failure message... etc"
Then when I re boot, i get a black screen with this message:

TRAP 00000002 ======= EXCEPTION =====
tr=0028 cr0=800000011 cr2=000000000 cr3=00039000
gdt limit=03FF base= 0003F000 idt limit= 07FF base= 0003f400
cs: eip=0008:00411C04 ss: esp=0010:0005F880 errcode = 0000 flags=00000016 NoCy NoZr IntDis Down TrapDis
eax=01F36e77 ebx=00004C00 ecx=00001278 ds=0010 es0010
edi=8066B620 esi=00030220 ebp=0005F8E8 cr0=80000011 fs=0030 gs=0000

I have a home made PC. AMD 1.1 gig athlon, 512 pc133, 20 gig HD, Amptron 810LMR S/S730 mother board, CDRW, DVD, TV card and 350W power supply.
Please tell me whats wrong with my PC. I think it maybe the memory sticks 256meg X 2. Or maybe the damn mother board.
Sometimes the damn thing works all night without problems and sometimes I have to reboot several times to get the windows started.
Thanks in advance.
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From Google: (looks like a memory problem)

The following is the actual message that is appearing on the Screen which is a back screen
as opposed to the usual dump screen which is blue

TRAP 00000002 ========= exception====

Er= 0028 cr0 = 80000011 cr2 = 00000000 cr3 = 00030000
gdt limit = 03FF base = 00036000 idt limit = 07FF
base= 0036400

After trying out all things i finally went for a
fresh install but after installing a fresh copy the problem still continued. so obviously the problem
was with the hardware . i disabled ecc memory check in the setup and found that theerror stopped so now i have concluded that the problem was with the physical memory and going for a replacement.
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:00 AM   #5
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Any comments? Women please don't even respond to this. Hehehehehe
Thanks in advance.
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A women told you earlier in the thread that errors such as this could be just about anything. Now, a women is going to tell you that your 'clever' fix is not so clever. The "power supply" problem is not in your computer. It is somewhere else - You said it yourself: "This is the second time my power supply has gone damaged with the additional caps installed inside."

It could be that you do not have a proper ground and if your computer reboots when the inverter kicks in, your inverter installation is plain faulty. If your inverter does not charge your UPS, either your UPS is faulty, or again, your inverter installation is faulty.

We run fairly expensive computer equipment with some help from the power company, and like all of us, sometimes on generator/inverter combination - and I have never seen what you described, excepting with bad grounding, bad inverter installations and bad UPS's. Usually, I do not even know what we are running on, electricity, planta or invertor - the switchover is seamless. Something is fishy with your electricity supply to your computer AZB, not with your computer power supply. If your computer power supply regularly gets zapped, something zaps it. Maybe you could fix your actual problem and stop fiddling with the symptoms. Any comments? Hehehehe Thanks in advance.

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Old 12-10-2005, 07:00 AM   #6
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Ok, if the damn thing doesn't freeze again, I will check the viruses, worms and other insects, then I will check the hard drive and then I will check the ram and then I will throw it out the window and put it on fire.
Maybe its time to get a new PC.
If you don't have updated virus definitions, go to www.grisoft.com and d/l their free version of AVG which gives you free virus updates. Unlike Norton, you don't need to pay for a subscription.
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:00 AM   #7
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Now using a cheaper UPS - the DR 650 and it copes better than any other I've had for the constant changeover from mains power to my Trace Inverter power. Friend of mine has the same unit and we find them very good. Purchased at CEDU Comp in Sosua.
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Old 01-22-2006, 07:00 AM   #8
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Thanks chris, I will swap the memory module or modules. Let me ask you this, can both 256 meg strips can go bad as once? I tried to take one off and then switch it with the other, I get the same errors on both. So if the memory modules are bad, then chances are they are both bad.
Am I making any sense?
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Old 01-27-2006, 07:00 AM   #9
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In that case I'll have to dig out an old 800mhz duron. It'll be much slower but it will tell us if your processor is the problem.
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Old 02-11-2006, 07:00 AM   #10
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Seriously AZ, I recently had a similar problem on one of my PCs and it took a while to crack it, does it defrag and scandisc on thorough ok fully?, my guru replaced just about everything to solve the prob,, it was finally the memory card.
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Old 02-26-2006, 07:00 AM   #11
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The problem was not the RAM, or the windows installation, or the mother board, or the CPU, the damn worm or the operator (myself). The problem was faulty power supply. I have replaced the power supply module and the damn thing works like a charm. I had installed 2 more filter electrolytic capacitors in series (in the original unit) with the existing ones to give me more surge power in case of a power failure so my PC wouldn't restart when the inverter would kick in. You think this might be the cause to damage the power supply? It so happens that the newer power supplies come with very small electrolytic caps so when the inverter kicks in during a power outtage the PC reboots and I lose all the unsaved work. So i put in bigger caps in seriel to hold more charge to compensate for the smaller caps that I already have inside the unit. Now when the power goes out and the inverter kicks in, there is no interruption in PC. This is the second time my power supply has gone damaged with the additional caps installed inside.
Any comments? Women please don't even respond to this. Hehehehehe
Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-05-2006, 07:00 AM   #12
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AZB, you've just received an offer that you cannot refuse. Take your box to MrMike and let him deal with it. Quickly! Before he changes his mind....
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Old 03-05-2006, 07:00 AM   #13
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I would still isolate the ram first.

Then...

Different motherboards use different ways to measure CPU temp.
Some use an under-socket sensor, others use the internal thermal diode built in to the CPU. The internal will read a little higher than manufactures specs and the external a little lower, so you will need to take this into account when checking against specs, see below.

To eliminate the CPU I would...

1) Make sure your fan is working and fitted the right way round.
2) Heatsink has a good fit on the CPU, with the aid of some thermal paste.
3) Check the bios settings for your CPU, make sure the clock speeds, core voltages etc are all set according to the manufactures specs.
4) Download "SpeedFan" link is at the bottom of the sites home page. It's not perfect, but the best I have seen to date for monitoring the CPU, fan speeds etc. You can check these numbers against the AMD specs to see if it's the CPU.SpeedFan Site

If it still locks up, then you better get yourself a new PC
Now I am beginning to think its the RAM. The damn thing worked fine yesterday in a/c blasting on the open computer, with numerous test: on/off and it worked flawlessly. This morning it froze again numerous times with the a/c blasting on it. So I have changed the RAM one at a time and used one strip on either slot and it froze the machine. Then I took it out and using the other ram strip, Its working fine so far. Lets see what happens later. Maybe I have a ghost inside? A woman's curse maybe?

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Old 03-17-2006, 07:00 AM   #14
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Ok, if the damn thing doesn't freeze again, I will check the viruses, worms and other insects, then I will check the hard drive and then I will check the ram and then I will throw it out the window and put it on fire.
Maybe its time to get a new PC.
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Old 03-19-2006, 07:00 AM   #15
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A women told you earlier in the thread that errors such as this could be just about anything. Now, a women is going to tell you that your 'clever' fix is not so clever. The "power supply" problem is not in your computer. It is somewhere else - You said it yourself: "This is the second time my power supply has gone damaged with the additional caps installed inside."

It could be that you do not have a proper ground and if your computer reboots when the inverter kicks in, your inverter installation is plain faulty. If your inverter does not charge your UPS, either your UPS is faulty, or again, your inverter installation is faulty.

We run fairly expensive computer equipment with some help from the power company, and like all of us, sometimes on generator/inverter combination - and I have never seen what you described, excepting with bad grounding, bad inverter installations and bad UPS's. Usually, I do not even know what we are running on, electricity, planta or invertor - the switchover is seamless. Something is fishy with your electricity supply to your computer AZB, not with your computer power supply. If your computer power supply regularly gets zapped, something zaps it. Maybe you could fix your actual problem and stop fiddling with the symptoms. Any comments? Hehehehe Thanks in advance.

The women will now smile and go and make breakfast.
Chris, like I said, "women, please don't respond to it". I guess you don't qualify becuase your name sounds masculine.
I know what I am talking about, I am also an electrical engineer. What you have described is very simple concept and I will not get into explaining the electrical physics to you in this post.
But I will tell you this: If you have super fast switching inverter (ex: tripplite) then you will have seemless transition between power failure. If you already have 450 Plus microfarads caps installed inside the power supply of the PC, then you would have seemless transition with any inverter. If you have a very good brand trace inverter (sine wave) then your UPS will charge just fine. If you have Generator, your UPS will charge fine. However if you have a PC power supply (the local newer supplies) then chances are your filter caps inside the unit would be no more than 220 micro farads and this will not be enough to switch seemlessly with a normal inverter in case of power failure. If you have regular inverter, then chances are your UPS will not charge or see line voltage with inverter power. I have a tripp-lite UPS that hasn't worked with numerous inverters (not trace brand).
I can go on and on, but I am afraid you will have more solutions and I would have more explanations.
Lets say, my problem is solved and I am happy.
Have a nice day.
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Old 03-20-2006, 07:00 AM   #16
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I'm profesionnal IT and you have to know with what you said it's no easy to help you...
I'm gonna ask you some questions after that it could be more easy to help you...
1-Are you using XP? Is it a copy?
2-What is the last software and hardware you have installed?
3-Have you watch if all of your IRQ are good settuping?
4-Are you using a protection surge (not a UPS) with phone line connection?
5-Are you a Kaaza's user?
6-Have you touch with your fingers your ram bar(slut???) (dont know the exactly name in english)
8-Does your pc shut down by himself?

For the moment sond like IRQ problem or ram problem but if you use a XP OS
copy you better place your data in a safe place...
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Old 04-01-2006, 07:00 AM   #17
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AZB, the most common problems in the DR when you get an error like this are:

1) bad memory (but the chances that both went bad the same way the same time are pretty astronomical)

2) physically damaged sector of hard disk (but this would be detected by thorought scandisk)

3) CPU fan getting old and burned out and/or dust buildup not allowing air to circulated through heat sink

4) bad motherboard.

5) Bad processor?? (but IMHO when a processor goes it just goes and you don't get any error message, you get --- nothing.)

This is the order of probability of the cause of your problem. Stop by my store with your box and let me try some different memory modules to finnish ruling out option 1.

Option 2 will take some time to diagnose, at least several hours depending on your hard disk size.

You should be able to diagnose option 3 yourself by just looking in there, or if you have a monitoring option in you BIOS you can look at the processor temperature. between 40 and 60c is just OK for AMD processors, over 90 is damaging. In my experience when your PC shuts down due to high processor temperature, it does it somewhere around 90c.

For option 4, this is a tough one, and very difficult to diagnose unless youa re a real supergeek with an expensive multimeter and alot of time. But if the tops of the capacitors are swollen and puffy like a carton of milk that's been in the fridge way too long then you need a new mobo plain and simple.

I think I have an old athlon XP 1700+ in stock to check and see if the processor is the problem so like I said before, come by.
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Old 04-12-2006, 07:00 AM   #18
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After the changing of the power supply, everything worked fine for one entire day. I was relieved and felt proud of my achievment then the worst happened. The damn PC started to freeze. The same problem all over again. At least the pc doesn't shut off like it used to do before and no hardware error this time around. The Pc simply freezes. Now I am all bumbed put. I am afraid to take the machine to a tech becuase they will see my personal stuff on my machine and might make copies of the pictures of my wives. Nothing porno but I just don't want the filthy techs to copy their fotos and then share them with other friends over the net.
Hi AZB. I had a problem that sounds almost exactly like the one you are having and somehow I had turned off my firewall and virus scanner in order to access my company website from home and in that short time my computer got 5 viruses! I had a friend come and clean it up for me, get my firewall and Norton Antivirus back on track and I have had no problems since. My computer was also built for me. I also initially thought there was a problem with my hardware and even had my internet provider give me a new modem which failed to fix the problem. Don't take your computer somewhere and it leave it for them to fix - does the DR not have people that make house calls where you can stand there and monitor what they are doing. Or, maybe there is someone on DR1 who would be able to help you out.
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Old 04-16-2006, 07:00 AM   #19
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I'm profesionnal IT and you have to know with what you said it's no easy to help you...
I'm gonna ask you some questions after that it could be more easy to help you...
1-Are you using XP? Is it a copy?
2-What is the last software and hardware you have installed?
3-Have you watch if all of your IRQ are good settuping?
4-Are you using a protection surge (not a UPS) with phone line connection?
5-Are you a Kaaza's user?
6-Have you touch with your fingers your ram bar(slut???) (dont know the exactly name in english)
8-Does your pc shut down by himself?

For the moment sond like IRQ problem or ram problem but if you use a XP OS
copy you better place your data in a safe place...
Os is a copy: windows xp professional, worked fine before.
Yes I have touched my ram, many times. I am a static free person, hahahah
Seems like IRQs are all conflict free
I use Imesh
yes I have downloaded many files through it
I used to have hardware error, now it freezes.
My PC used to shut down all by itself, now its freezing after I have changed the power supply.
I have surge protection but the phone lines are connected straight from the wall. The whole power supply to PC is grounded with a 7 foot bar in the ground.
I have installed a TV, video capture card last (last harwdware with cable connected straight from the pole).
Come to think of it, after I had installed the TV card and upon viewing the TV on full screen, if I had minimized the picture, the PC would shut off sometimes. That was rare and when I started to minimize it with esc button on the key board, it stopped messing up.
Please help. I think I will pay a visit to Mr. Mike.
AZB
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:00 AM   #20
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Have you checked out your RAM yet?

Try out memtest86 from www.memtest.org ....

You just put their "image" on a floppy and boot up with that floppy and let it run for at least a few hours (since your problem seems to come at random times, I recommend at least 12-24 hours of continuous memory testing). I suggest testing each DIMM by itself if you have more than 1 RAM module.

Have you checked your HD with a HD error detecting utility like Powermax from www.Maxtor.com ?

If everything checks out fine, might just be a corrupt OS install.

Sounds to me like faulty RAM....
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