[Barbshowers]

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A birth certificate is a legal act of civil status . It is a deed , signed by a registrar .

The singular, the term refers to the official document issued by the registrar following a declaration of birth .

Plural, in civil law, the birth certificates agree a class of vital records, including birth certificates, judgments concerning changes of name or surname, and the act of recognition of an illegitimate child.

In the margin or are civil marriages and, since 1945, death. In Quebec

English equivalents of the terms "birth certificate" and "birth certificate" in Quebec law are respectively act of birth and birth certificate .

A birth certificate issued before 1 January 1994 can not be used to prove citizenship to obtain a passport or through other administrative formality. Indeed? What happened in 1994 to disqualify birth certificates from proving citizenship?
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In any case, it was held that interest of public works to ensure that any person is equipped with a vital . Each person has a right to marital status, and should enjoy it. I suppose if you aren't enjoying your marital status you are doing something wrong?

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Marital status is the status of the person in the family and society , the result of a procedure written to identify administrative . Marital status and also means the public service responsible for drawing up the deeds evidencing these facts , including birth certificates , of marriage and death . An International Commission on Civil Status was created after World War II to coordinate the government approaches. A birth certificate is a deed. It creates a person. That person has a marital status, life and death.

[Barbshowers]

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In positive law
In France

Interest of public works to ensure that any person who usually lives in France, even if born abroad and has a foreign nationality, is equipped with a civil status . The French court of the domicile of that person is competent to declare his birth.

In case of destruction of vital records, for example after a fire, whatever evidence is acceptable, including the testimony, under Article 46 of the Civil Code . So a foreigner in France can have his birth declared by a French court. Of course courts only deal with persons so a person must be declared to exist before any French court (or any court) can impose their sentence on that "person".

[Barbshowers]

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the Martin Guerre case , decided by the Parliament of Toulouse in 1560, shows the difficulty of making identification of reliably in the absence of written documents. Documents establish the creation of a "person". That "person" is tied to you because you produce the document.

[Mehntswx]

Your papers please?


Hatha

[Barbshowers]

Your papers please?


Hatha

Precisely

My own papers are of my administrative procedure which goes a long way to establishing my status with respect to any government.

[hotsaucemidl]

So a BC is a Deed, not a bond.

I guess the issue is, post presenting a BC and creating links of "existence" between the BC and the man, how can the man extricate themself from that linkage. there appears to be no means that will be aknowledged by any player/actor in the system.

To me, it would appear that the most workable method is for the Deed to fall into disuse. The declaratory methods, by individual or by court are difficult to have recognised.

I do know that they do take notice of the actions of someone doing this but the actions in response are to thwart the declarative process. I have been witness to such a process playing out at the moment. It has been enlightening. They did some interesting things to prepare their court. There was clearly a lot of background communication between governent parties to perpare the venue. I think a specific person was chosen to administer things on their side.

[hotsaucemidl]

Wiki has some interesting things to say about deeds:
A deed is any legal instrument in writing which passes, or affirms or confirms something which passes, an interest, right, or property and that is signed, attested, delivered, and in some jurisdictions sealed. A deed, also known as an instrument in solemn form, is the most formal type of private instrument requiring not only the maker of the deed (grantor, transferor) but also attesting witnesses as signatories. A deed has therefore a greater presumption of validity and is less rebuttable than an instrument under hand, i.e., signed by the party to the deed only, or an instrument under seal. A deed can be unilateral or bilateral. Deeds include conveyances, commissions, licenses, patents, diplomas, and conditionally powers of attorney if executed as deeds. The deed is the modern descendant of the medieval charter, and delivery is thought to symbolically replace the ancient ceremony of livery of seisin.[1]


The use of attesting witnesses has replaced to a large extent the former use of seals to create a higher degree of formalism; this explains the traditional formula signed, sealed and delivered and why agreements under seal are also called contracts by deed. Where the use of seals continues, deeds are nothing more than a special type of instrument under seal, hence the name specialty for a contract under seal. Specialties differ from a simple contract, i.e., a contract under hand, in that they are enforceable without consideration (i.e. gratuitous), in some jurisdictions have a liability limitation period of double that of a simple contract, and allow for a third party beneficiary to enforce an undertaking in the deed, thereby overcoming the doctrine of privity.[2] Specialties, as a form of contract, are bilateral and can therefore be distinguished from covenants, which, being also under seal, are unilateral promises.

At common law, to be valid and enforceable, a deed must fulfill several requirements:

• It must state on its face it is a deed, using wording like "This Deed..." or "executed as a deed".
• It must indicate that the instrument itself conveys some privilege or thing to someone. This is indicated by using the word hereby or the phrase by these presents in the clause indicating the gift.
• The grantor must have the legal ability to grant the thing or privilege, and the grantee must have the legal capacity to receive it.
• It must be executed by the grantor in presence of the prescribed number of witnesses, known as instrumentary witnesses (this is known as being in solemn form).
• In some jurisdictions, a seal must be affixed to it. Originally, affixing seals made persons parties to the deed and signatures were optional, but most jurisdictions made seals outdated, and now the signatures of the grantor and witnesses are primary.
• It must be delivered to (delivery) and accepted by the grantee (acceptance).
• It should be, but not necessarily, properly acknowledged before a competent officer, most often a registrar (deeds office, deeds registry) or notary public.[3]

Conditions attached to the acceptance of a deed are known as covenants. A deed indented or indenture is one executed in two or more parts according to the number of parties, which were formerly separated by cutting in a curved or indented line known as the chirograph.[4] A deed poll is one executed in one part, by one party, having the edge polled or cut even, and includes simple grants and appointments.

There is some descriptions of types of deeds also at the link. Reading to see which one most closely describes a BC. My BC certainly fits the form of a deed. What type of contract does it form? A Deed of Trust?

Deed of trust In some jurisdictions, a deed of trust is used as an alternative to a mortgage. A deed of trust is not used to transfer property directly. It is commonly used in some states — California, for example — to transfer title to land to a “trustee”, usually a trust or title company, which holds the title as security ("in escrow") for a loan. When the loan is paid off, title is transferred to the borrower by recording a release of the obligation, and the trustee's contingent ownership is extinguished. Otherwise, upon default, the trustee will liquidate the property with a new deed and offset the lender's loss with the proceeds. The part about the third party beneficiary enforcing undertakings of the deed is interesting. I'm sure I read on the wiki about a method to disolve a deed. I can't see it now.
Wiki Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed

[SeLvesTr]

A birth certificate is a deed. It creates a person. That person has a marital status, life and death. You forgot taxes.

ETA: or is that via Social Security?

[Barbshowers]

You forgot taxes.

ETA: or is that via Social Security?

Taxes are on value. Have no value? Taxes are nullity. Decide to be valuable? Pay taxes.

[9wQlZkIj]

You can split these fucking hairs all ******* day long but there ain't none of it gonna help ya when it comes right down to it.

[Barbshowers]

You can split these fucking hairs all ******* day long but there ain't none of it gonna help ya when it comes right down to it.

You have already proven you are deficient in language skills. You have nothing more to prove.

[9wQlZkIj]

You have already proven you are deficient in language skills. You have nothing more to prove.

I speak regular and plain, there ain't any doubts about what I say. I know you don't understand that concept though because you'd rather talk in circles and puzzles and not say anything in the process. If I were trying to prove something in the 1st place you would have had a point.

[hoarrimilsora]

Taxes are on value. Have no value? Taxes are nullity. Decide to be valuable? Pay taxes.

Taxes are a direct result of "employment", not "value".
"Employment" is restrictive to the purpose of Social Security only.
You sign a W4 ONLY as a result for participating in Social Security.
Millions of Americans didnt pay a cent to federal or state revenue agencies until they participated in Social Security.
In 1940 the filed 1040s sky rocketed by the millions as a result of the 1939 tax code which had in it for the first time in history chapter 21 (Social Security).

Social security has no mandate of participation....none, zilch, nada!
Dont participate and all, and I mean all, requirements of reporting of "wages" (aka "income") is legally stopped!

Taxes have absolutely no ties to the birth certificate or "value" period!

Beleive what you want Palani about the BC and "value"......you're blowing bullshit up theses peoples behinds!
You yourself admit you dont study the tax rules and regulations so why are acting as though you have any idea how the tax impositions are imposed?
For a guy who talks a bunch about laws and its various forms you sure dont have a clue about the restrictive nature set forth by the US Constitution!
I'm not talking about the Articles either....so dont bring it up to hide behind it!

[Barbshowers]

Taxes are a direct result of "employment", not "value".

Heard of ad valorem taxes? Property taxes? They are payable in mils but I expect they will take FRNs as well.

[Barbshowers]

If I were trying to prove something in the 1st place you would have had a point.

Things are not proved these days. You either believe something or you know something. Should you believe you are relying upon "facts" then ponder the following from etymology online

fact
1530s, "action," especially "evil deed," from L. factum "event, occurrence," lit. "thing done," neut. pp. of facere "to do" (see factitious). Usual modern sense of "thing known to be true" appeared 1630s, from notion of "something that has actually occurred." Facts of life "harsh realities" is from 1854; specific sense of "human sexual functions" first recorded 1913. Have facts? Then you are holding knowledge of an "evil deed".

Coppiceman asks you for facts and you give him anything ... you are acknowledging that you know of "evil deeds". Is this what you thought you were giving him?

[hoarrimilsora]

Heard of ad valorem taxes? Property taxes? They are payable in mils but I expect they will take FRNs as well.

Well lets get to the source of property taxes shall we? Mils and Frn have no bearing on the cause of the imposition.
Its called a registry...and I'm sure you can pay in wagon loads of cow shit or your labor, so who really cares how its paid.
How about getting down to where the rubber meets the road instead of your usual bedazzling word speak...huh?

[9wQlZkIj]

Things are not proved these days. You either believe something or you know something. Should you believe you are relying upon "facts" then ponder the following from etymology online



Have facts? Then you are holding knowledge of an "evil deed".

Coppiceman asks you for facts and you give him anything ... you are acknowledging that you know of "evil deeds". Is this what you thought you were giving him?

There ya go again with riddles and arcane, antiquated nonsense.

Gave who what?

[Barbshowers]

Well lets get to the source of property taxes shall we? ...Its called a registry

You get jumbled up talking about different things as if they are the same.

Your occupation is electrician so consider this concept. Think of registration as the switch that either turns current on or off. The battery is the value of the thing taxed. The larger the battery voltage the more current (taxes) flow. The mil rate is a current limiting resistor (a rate established by legislation) (to make a Norton equivalent as opposed to a Thevenin) and the actual tax as the flow of current through the circuit.

You might even get more sophisticated and add a capacitor to the circuit to accumulate the current with some form of avalanche device that transfers the charge (accumulated taxes) from the capacitor periodically to the state in a dirac delta manner.

Now that you have modeled taxes as an electrical circuit consider what happens when your battery is discharged (the property has zero value) and you close the switch (register the property). How much current (taxes) are going to flow?

[Barbshowers]

Gave who what?

Should you find you have no facts then precisely HOW are you going to prove anything?

[hotsaucemidl]

There ya go again with riddles and arcane, antiquated nonsense.

Gave who what?

There are several veins of law going on. The common side of it has antiquated roots so discussion about it sounds antiquated, however manyt of these things are still valid today. Occasionally the words used are more modern even though the concepts are ancient. Sometimes the concepts stand in their original antiquated form. The antiquated form often offers refuge from the civil/equity version of law, the current practices in most law venues.

If an old man being a carpenter showed you is wooden finishing plane you might consider it antiquated compare to your electric plane but it does the same job and possibly in some situations is a more suitable tool than the electric one.

Taxes are rent for the use of a private currency or perhaps property. There's nothing mystical about them.