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Old 03-01-2008, 08:03 AM   #21
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Good thing that diesels are going to be surging into America this year. Can't wait! Would love to get a BMW 330D or 335D, though I think that I might need to look at VW or something for the smaller 2L, hopefully in the Rabbit.

Though, the prices for fuel isn't that bad even with $100 price of oil per barrel. I remember when it hit $77 in 2003 and fuel cost $3.25/gal. With oil at $100pb fuel is still under $3.00/gal.



Would be nice to have the Volt on dealers lots right now.
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:29 AM   #22
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Though, the prices for fuel isn't that bad even with $100 price of oil per barrel. I remember when it hit $77 in 2003 and fuel cost $3.25/gal. With oil at $100pb fuel is still under $3.00/gal.
Don't speak too soon. $100 is a contract for delivery in February.
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:41 AM   #23
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That is very true, but right now we are already running in the upper $90 range. Plus current crude oil prices, the what if factor, and production/inventory do roll over to fuel prices of now.


For example. Katrina hit, crude oil sky rocketed. Even though the contract would be for the fallowing months, and current gas prices were under old crude prices/contracts, gas still sky rocketed at the pump before and after the hurricane hit. Then all the other little things that have been happening since then do affect prices at the pump when they happen.
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:52 AM   #24
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That is very true, but right now we are already running in the upper $90 range. Plus current crude oil prices, the what if factor, and production/inventory do roll over to fuel prices of now.


For example. Katrina hit, crude oil sky rocketed. Even though the contract would be for the fallowing months, and current gas prices were under old crude prices/contracts, gas still sky rocketed at the pump before and after the hurricane hit. Then all the other little things that have been happening since then do affect prices at the pump when they happen.
Correct me if I am wrong but Katrina hit many oil refineries in other words hit the current supply of petroleum too rather than being limited to the supply of oil itself. The supply and demand of petroleum was upset in that instance which will have an instant effect on the price of Gas where as an increase in the Oil futures market will take longer to make it's way down the line to the pump which can be as much as 3 months.
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:54 AM   #25
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I might buy me self a barrel then.

50 quid ? cheap as chips
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Old 03-01-2008, 02:14 PM   #26
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This stuff can be hard to judge, predicted and explain, but basically everyone seems to have been wrong about fuel prices. When crude was $70/gal it was at/near $3/gal and with crude at/near $100 a barrel, just a few days ago gas was $2.67 but is now current $2.89 which is $0.36 cheaper then it was during the time after Katrina with crude hit a high of $77 a barrel. Crude has gone up $30 a barrel, but gas is still essentially the same price which seems nuts.
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Old 03-01-2008, 02:18 PM   #27
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I noticed them jacking it up for the holidays, but figured that was par.
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Old 03-01-2008, 04:54 PM   #28
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during katrina there was price gouging - and people got into trouble for that ; but zoolook is quite right tbh - whilst the headline figure of $100 per barrel seems alot to the average american - the very weak dollar and the iranian bource are 2 reasons why its so high - iran is trading in euro`s - russia is trading in euro (for oil) the main opec countries are slowly and quietly moving into euro`s and away from teh dollar - so now the dollar is being valued correctly and not at the overprice it has been for years.
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Old 03-01-2008, 07:09 PM   #29
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Fiesta 1.6 TDCI Zetec S, smart mans ST

A friend has one, £35 a year road tax and his never drops below 50mpg and he has a very heavy right foot

Downside = £7000 (05 plate) - £10000 (07 plate) to get one

I thought about a Pug206 HDi 2.0, granted they are bloody quick (for a diesel) but i want to save on the insurance & road tax.
You want to be sure you do plenty of mileage before considering a diesel IMO. Considering a car based on a diesel tends to be more expensive than a base petrol model, not to mention diesel is more expensive too (well, 5p more a litre in my area!).
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:32 PM   #30
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You want to be sure you do plenty of mileage before considering a diesel IMO. Considering a car based on a diesel tends to be more expensive than a base petrol model, not to mention diesel is more expensive too (well, 5p more a litre in my area!).
I know what ya saying but i'd rather have a diesel this time around, besides comparing the petrol 1.6 Zetec S to the TDCI Zetec S goes like so...

Road tax

£35 (diesel) £140 (petrol)

Insurance

group 6 (diesel) 7 (petrol) wouldn't really make any difference for me as im 38 with full ncb

MPG

upto 64 (diesel) upto 41 (petrol)

Top Speed - not relevant (but very close)
0-60 diesel - not relevant

Price

05 to 07 plate = 7 > 10k (diesel) 05 to 07 plate = 6.5k > 10k (petrol)

So the diesel option for me clearly out ways the petrol, if the price of the car was 2k cheaper then id grab the petrol but it isn't.
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:40 PM   #31
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I know what ya saying but i'd rather have a diesel this time around, besides comparing the petrol 1.6 Zetec S to the TDCI Zetec S goes like so...

Road tax

£35 (diesel) £140 (petrol)

Insurance

group 6 (diesel) 7 (petrol) wouldn't really make any difference for me as im 38 with full ncb

MPG

upto 64 (diesel) upto 41 (petrol)

Top Speed - not relevant (but very close)
0-60 diesel - not relevant

Price

05 to 07 plate = 7 > 10k (diesel) 05 to 07 plate = 6.5k > 10k (petrol)

So the diesel option for me clearly out ways the petrol, if the price of the car was 2k cheaper then id grab the petrol but it isn't.
I guess it can vary depending what car you go for (not all diesels for example will fit under one of the cheapest tax brackets, and some won't achieve over 60mpg), or how long you intend to keep it. In example you stated however, then a diesel will sound sensible as long as you can recoup that £500 difference (providing you were choosing between the cheapest options available)

Also, don't believe what official MPG figures always say too (i'm pretty sure you know anyway). I've only owned two cars, but my MPG figure has always been about 8 or 9MPG below the official manufacturer figures. Then again though, I don't necessarily have a light right foot.
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:52 PM   #32
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The price was deliberately inflated:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7169543.stm

NSTFU
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Old 03-01-2008, 09:59 PM   #33
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he at least understands how important oil really is while you are still discussing one use of it
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Old 03-01-2008, 10:54 PM   #34
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he at least understands how important oil really is while you are still discussing one use of it
I did try and start a conversation about it, but boys will be boys and the conversation ended up being about horsepower... [rolleyes]
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:15 PM   #35
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The price was deliberately inflated:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7169543.stm

NSTFU
Now this is one sad person. It's like making a spaceship out of gold just because you can, even though it will melt when it gets exposed to the sun
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:52 PM   #36
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Also, don't believe what official MPG figures always say too (i'm pretty sure you know anyway). I've only owned two cars, but my MPG figure has always been about 8 or 9MPG below the official manufacturer figures. Then again though, I don't necessarily have a light right foot.
Yes very true but as i said in a previous post a friend has one and gets a min of 50mpg and he has a heavy right foot, those new tdci units sure are good.

Knowing me i'll throw caution to the wind and buy something totally inappropriate instead, i'm sure i can sense a mid-life crisis coming
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Old 03-02-2008, 12:02 AM   #37
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Yes very true but as i said in a previous post a friend has one and gets a min of 50mpg and he has a heavy right foot, those new tdci units sure are good.

Knowing me i'll throw caution to the wind and buy something totally inappropriate instead, i'm sure i can sense a mid-life crisis coming
Mazda RX-8 to name something thirsty. I'd still have one though.
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Old 03-02-2008, 12:20 AM   #38
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Mazda RX-8 to name something thirsty. I'd still have one though.
Funny you should say that, was standing @ the works bus stop yesterday morning (03.15am [yawn]) and a RX-8 came down to the island and booted it towards dhl, It sure did sound nice. They may be getting on abit now but they still get a [thumbup] from me.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:19 AM   #39
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Hybrid cars FTW....I am seriously thinking now when I get a new car it should be hybrid
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Old 03-02-2008, 04:09 AM   #40
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Hybrid cars FTW....I am seriously thinking now when I get a new car it should be hybrid
$45,000 AU for something that's the same function as a $20,000 AU car. You would have to dive it 5-10 years before the extra price would justify the fuel.

In 10 years I'm sure there would be something more definitive than hybrids. Fuel cells perhaps?

Unless you find $25k extra to be green a worthy cause. Then please be my guest.
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