[HQTheodore]

Something different to the other 30 odd posts about how great it was.

So this is how it goes, in the future Sylar is still alive and the bomb goes off, Hiro's attempt to kill him fails as he killed Claire and took her regeneration power hence the whole save the cheerleader save the world.

But Hiro goes back, they save the cheerleader and thus Sylar doesnt have the power, so why is Sylar still alive. Surely the same events would have happend and so when Hiro stabs him, he dies, but obviously it didnt happen as he is still there in the future...

Unless, that is, we get to see that event happen and Sylar dies but i doesnt really matter because if the bomb goes off its still going to be bad.

Hmm, this is the annoying thing about storylines that mess around with the time line, things start to fall apart as changes in time dont seem to follow through...

[tq4F7YKs]

That's the thing -- Sylar hadn't killed Claire yet in the future. Not until the very end of the episode where Sylar reveals he's been posing as Nathan does he get her power.

Remember, Peter was the bomb, not Sylar.

Of course, this assumes Sylar wasn't around when the bomb went off (the show seems to insinuate that he was). What I don't get is that they say that Claire wasn't saved at Homecoming, but in the future she's still alive and working as a waitress?

[Gometesstem]

What I don't get is that they say that Claire wasn't saved at Homecoming, but in the future she's still alive and working as a waitress?

She did get saved, because Hiro told peter to save her. But the future went (mostly) unchanged. So present-day Hiro goes back to save the world once again.

[tq4F7YKs]

She did get saved, because Hiro told peter to save her. But the future went (mostly) unchanged. So present-day Hiro goes back to save the world once again.

But they all acted as if she was dead...

[HQTheodore]

That's the thing -- Sylar hadn't killed Claire yet in the future. Not until the very end of the episode where Sylar reveals he's been posing as Nathan does he get her power.

Remember, Peter was the bomb, not Sylar.

Of course, this assumes Sylar wasn't around when the bomb went off (the show seems to insinuate that he was). What I don't get is that they say that Claire wasn't saved at Homecoming, but in the future she's still alive and working as a waitress?

Thats because Sylar technically had killed Claire, but because Future Hiro went back, he changed the future. The problem is the lack of continuity of temporal events thats making it all very confusing. Changing the past should have an effect on future events, unless they are implying that 'heroes' are immune to changes in the timeline

[embefuri]

Although Peter had saved Claire this has an effect on the events leading up to the explosion in the timeline. Firstly Hiro was not meant to jump 5 years into the future (or maybe he was...fate is a funny thing!) so he was not present at those events to kill Sylar as he was meant to. Without present day/current timeline Hiro and Ando present, Sylar was allowed to live, which must have affected Peter's explosion. It would seem that Sylar is not the bomb that takes out NYC, but he is a catalyst for those events.

Everything from the last episode hinges on the belief that Hiro and Ando were not present for 5 years and their presence had an effect on the future which could not be seen in this episode.If the bomb goes off then events will unfold as seen in Ep20, if Hiro and Ando go back now their presence and actions will change the future leading to something a little less depressing than what we saw in that episode. (ie. Sylar dead, Nathan Petrelli still alive, Micah DL alive, NYC not a pile of rubble etc)

Although one line that has gotten me is when Sylar says that Nathan had already turned against his own people long before he had killed him....referring to this deal with Linderman perhaps?

As for Claire, Bennet has used his position to successfully hide her, and from the conversation they had in the episode, she has had to change identity more than once to stay off the radar. Therefore to the outside world she may well be dead, as most people seem to think she is, the only person who knows the truth is Mr Bennet himself.

[shodulsilfeli]

you're trying to have logic here?? This show is not logical at all like all other shows. It's a lot of fun to watch, that's it.

[Gometesstem]

you're trying to have logic here?? This show is not logical at all like all other shows. It's a lot of fun to watch, that's it.

I think it made perfect sense.

I mean, except for the whole X-men mutant theme being incredibly unscientifically sound.

[KitRittyTug]

Just caught EP20 last night, just in time for EP21.

Awesome episode! One thing I like about heroes is how 'special powers' are not overused to make it like a normaly tacky comic book show, but it was great to finally see some serious power start to be unleashed amongst the heroes.

I think heroes may now actually take my no.1 spot for favorite tv show above prison break!

[shodulsilfeli]

I think it made perfect sense.

I mean, except for the whole X-men mutant theme being incredibly unscientifically sound.

traveling in time makes sense??? It will cause some strange story changes. When Hiro saw his future self, his future self should have known he went into the future, since he did it in the past...

[gvataler]

i hate waiting a week for 40min

[egoldhyip]

traveling in time makes sense??? It will cause some strange story changes. When Hiro saw his future self, his future self should have known he went into the future, since he did it in the past...

Different timelines, so Hiro's future self might not have travelled into the future, but him travelling into the past and warning Peter might have caused the timeline to change to one where present Hiro does travel into the future.

[Gometesstem]

i hate waiting a week for 40min

Better than waiting a couple years for Halo 3.

[HQTheodore]

So which side is Granny Petrelli on? She didnt want the company to get their hands on Claire, yet she seems okay with letting Peter explode and seems to be working with Linderman?

[gennickhif]

So which side is Granny Petrelli on? She didnt want the company to get their hands on Claire, yet she seems okay with letting Peter explode and seems to be working with Linderman?

Yeah man, that was crazy. I love it when shows have you thinking of countless different things especially when you are wondering which side numerous characters are on.

Also that scene with Sylar and his mother was nuts. Especially when she said he could be anything he wanted, even president. (Pre-destined path to the 5 year later episode? ) Then the whole explosion image in blood!

Man, I actually was starting to lose interest in the show a little a few weeks back but they definitely hooked me right back in. [thumbup]

(I tried to make that as spoiler-less as possible. )

[klnbgqr]

traveling in time makes sense??? It will cause some strange story changes. When Hiro saw his future self, his future self should have known he went into the future, since he did it in the past...

You're assuming time is linear and that only one time line exist.

Its very well possible that in changing events by time traveling, different time lines emerge.

If they stop the explosion their time line will end up different but the one we saw in ep 20 (or w/e ep that was) of the future may remain intact.

One may not influence the other; now if you ask about Carlie, well remember they say shes been hiding for a long time. It is possible Sylar never did manage to kill her even though Peter didn't come to save her in that time line; they may have simply faked her death.

[priordine]

You're assuming time is linear and that only one time line exist.

Its very well possible that in changing events by time traveling, different time lines emerge.

If they stop the explosion their time line will end up different but the one we saw in ep 20 (or w/e ep that was) of the future may remain intact.

One may not influence the other; now if you ask about Carlie, well remember they say shes been hiding for a long time. It is possible Sylar never did manage to kill her even though Peter didn't come to save her in that time line; they may have simply faked her death.

Well then they've been quite careless. Remember when Hiro goes back in time, to save the girl? Ando remained behind, but he saw the change that was made in history (also the waitress didn't recognize him, which means the "new" past then hadn't happened yet)! Suddenly he was on the picture with her.

The only thing that's abit out of line is the piece with future Hiro etc. The rest all falls into place, assuming there's only 1 timeline. For example the pictures that were drawn all happened, none of those things were changed, which would suggest multiple timelines.
The only way for the story to continue to fit is to make sure everything happens just like it did (explosion will go off etc.), and thus make Hiro run in circles. Else it'll be controversial.

Not going any deeper now, it'll give me a headache.

What I think will happen: Hiro will try to kill Sylar, Sylar doesn't die for some mysterious reason (another power, not the blondie's one) and the blond girl is once again protected by her father and sent far away. Everyone thinks she's dead because Sylar's still alive. Bomb goes off, the heroes all remain alive for some mysterious reason (isn't it weird, he goes nuclear, all of the heroes are standing close to him), for example Hiro. However if Hiro did this he could aswell stop time and save everyone in the blast radius. Meaning either his powers are limited (not likely) or he's not there at the time (likely) and can't change it.

[klnbgqr]

Well then they've been quite careless. Remember when Hiro goes back in time, to save the girl? Ando remained behind, but he saw the change that was made in history (also the waitress didn't recognize him, which means the "new" past then hadn't happened yet)! Suddenly he was on the picture with her.

The only thing that's abit out of line is the piece with future Hiro etc. The rest all falls into place, assuming there's only 1 timeline. For example the pictures that were drawn all happened, none of those things were changed, which would suggest multiple timelines.
The only way for the story to continue to fit is to make sure everything happens just like it did (explosion will go off etc.), and thus make Hiro run in circles. Else it'll be controversial.

Not going any deeper now, it'll give me a headache.

What I think will happen: Hiro will try to kill Sylar, Sylar doesn't die for some mysterious reason (another power, not the blondie's one) and the blond girl is once again protected by her father and sent far away. Everyone thinks she's dead because Sylar's still alive. Bomb goes off, the heroes all remain alive for some mysterious reason (isn't it weird, he goes nuclear, all of the heroes are standing close to him), for example Hiro. However if Hiro did this he could aswell stop time and save everyone in the blast radius. Meaning either his powers are limited (not likely) or he's not there at the time (likely) and can't change it.

You're right I had forgotten about that, although the change was extremely small because the end result remained the same.

But............... remember they changed what happened to Clare where Peter saves her instead of the future Clare being in hiding and people thinking she was dead and yet when Hiro travels into the future... that didn't happen.

So it seems the writers really goofed up...

[embefuri]

So which side is Granny Petrelli on? She didnt want the company to get their hands on Claire, yet she seems okay with letting Peter explode and seems to be working with Linderman?

SPOILERS FROM EP 21.



I think she knows that Peter is not the exploding man, she is allowing him to believe he is as it puts everyone off the scent of what is really transpiring. Sylar and the 'Save the Cheerleader' story has put most of them off the trail, so whilst Peter is occupied with that it makes sense to keep Claire alive. Linderman and Granny seem to be playing 'The Company' as puppets as they come good on their Machiavellian scheme, which could explain the Haitian's duplicity in events that have transpired thus far.

I had a feeling a few weeks ago she was in league with Linderman, after he made the comment about 'others like him working together in the past' or summat like that. I forget the exact quote.

I was also waiting for some payback on Sylar's comment in Ep 20 that "Nathan had already turned against his people long before that" which now makes perfect sense.