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Old 10-20-2006, 04:15 PM   #21
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Body armor is less than $1000 and you can buy your own.

I'd go for it.
Body armour:

1. Won't stop you from getting blown to bits by an IED.
2. Won't stop you from having your head lopped off with a pairing knife.
3. Won't stop you from getting badly injured if shot with a high-velocity round (7.62).

You will be travelling between locations in soft-skinned vehicles, which make a perfect target for insurgents. Heck, they don't even need to use IED's, they'd just need to rake your vehicle with a few dozen rounds of rifle ammunition and job done.

I'm curious as well to know what these private companies offer in the way of support / payments / benefits in the even that you get seriously injured or maimed whilst under their employ.

On a related note, I highly recommend you read a book called "My War: Killing Time in Iraq" - by Colby Buzzell. Although its written by a soldier, there are some very eye-opening descriptions by him of passing wrecked vehicles containing the bodies of dead civilian contractors.

Not that I'm trying to put you off of course - but from what I understand it really is the Wild West out there at the moment, - possibly the worst its ever been since Saddam fell.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:16 PM   #22
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You could at least have some protection if someone tried to abduct you.
Pistol vs. AR's and multiple insurgents? You might just as well arm yourself with a toothpick - it would be about as effective.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:18 PM   #23
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A guy who I was at school with got killed over there 2 weeks ago working in security. He'd done tours in Northern Ireland and the first Gulf War. He then he left the army and settled down with his missus and child, got a normal job but he got restless and missed army life. That's when he found the security job in Iraq, think it was in Basra. Anyway, all that I'll say is his gf/wife and daughter are on they'e own now. [no]

I'd personally say no way, there's more to life than money and there's a damn good reason they're offering to pay you so much
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:34 PM   #24
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No, because if you get abducted, there is a major possibility you could lose your head.
if you have nothing to lose then go for it.
Ahahahahahahaha [rofl][rofl]
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:36 PM   #25
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Ya, I would be interested to know if you're insurable while over there. If so, any chance you could write me in as the beneficiary? I'll buy a Ferrari for you! If you decide to go with the job, contact me for my details in regards to the insurance

Edit: Or use the money to fund my education if you want it to be used for some good cause or something
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:18 PM   #26
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I think the best thing to do would be to actually ask some people who currently are over there. They'd be able to tell you if things are as bad as they sound from here.

Obviously it would be a great experience but at a very high risk. I would never do it for $3000 a week though. Hell, I earn more sitting here in my chair at the office in London.

If you're gonna risk your life, at least do it for something that's worth it... You can easily give that argument to your boss. Tell him "I'm not risking my life for less than 10 grand a week".

Worst case he doesn't give you the job.
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:19 PM   #27
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I think the best thing to do would be to actually ask some people who currently are over there. They'd be able to tell you if things are as bad as they sound from here.

Obviously it would be a great experience but at a very high risk. I would never do it for $3000 a week though. Hell, I earn more sitting here in my chair at the office in London.

If you're gonna risk your life, at least do it for something that's worth it... You can easily give that argument to your boss. Tell him "I'm not risking my life for less than 10 grand a week".

Worst case he doesn't give you the job.
3000$ a week is not a figure that his boss will have picked from thin air. It is a figure based on market forces - i.e there are plenty of people prepared to do that job for that rate.
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:22 PM   #28
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3000$ a week is not a figure that his boss will have picked from thin air. It is a figure based on market forces - i.e there are plenty of people prepared to do that job for that rate.
Still he's got the option to make a counteroffer. Now that's also how the markets work. Plenty of people who would do it at that price might just not be qualified for the job either. I would personally never do it for that price.
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Old 10-20-2006, 06:32 PM   #29
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Still he's got the option to make a counteroffer. Now that's also how the markets work. Plenty of people who would do it at that price might just not be qualified for the job either. I would personally never do it for that price.
The thing is, many of these jobs don’t really require the most qualified people. Take truck drivers for one, I'm not really sure how much they can make over here in the US but when they're in Iraq doing transportation and making $100,000 to $150,000 a year that seems like GOOD money to them. I figure if he's looking into this he's not making huge bucks right now but still, being with HoneyWell for six years and being able to get a house at 25 he can't be doing terrible, and if he keeps working it'll just continue to get better as he pays off that home loan and personal debts. I would really like him to reply with his level of education and how much he's currently making and how much room for advancement there is. Chances are if he doesn't have a degree HoneyWell offers tuition reimbursement for courses or degrees that would be useful for more advanced positions at HoneyWell. I'm sure his options are far from singled out to this and I'm sure the quick buck is the main draw, but totally not worth it.
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:39 PM   #30
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you want my advise.

steer well clear of that place.
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:47 PM   #31
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I'd do it, but I'd request a sidearm.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:07 PM   #32
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I'd do it, but I'd request a sidearm.
its been stressed before

It wouldnt help.

If they can get at americans driving in convoys with heavily armoured hummers and kill them you dont have much more of a chance than them.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:11 PM   #33
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I'd keep a watch on the news for a while, it seems that the situation is rapidly getting worse in Iraq to me right now.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:13 PM   #34
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its been stressed before

It wouldnt help.

If they can get at americans driving in convoys with heavily armoured hummers and kill them you dont have much more of a chance than them.
I would want a sidearm too....if I was going down I would like to atleast take one of those bastards with me. Sure you probably aren't going to get away and your probably going to die anyway with a dozen psycho's coming at you, but if I could atleast kill one or more I would die happier than sitting there helplessly...
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:16 PM   #35
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its been stressed before

It wouldnt help.

If they can get at americans driving in convoys with heavily armoured hummers and kill them you dont have much more of a chance than them.
On the contray, I'd say you'd have substantially LESS chance, given you'd most likely be in a soft-skinned truck or MPV.

On a side note - it looks like the UK troops might be getting ready to go back into the city of Amara. They pulled out in August as the situation there was "calm" - and they officially handed control over to the Iraqi security forces.

2 months on there are reports that militia have overrun the city, and clashes between police and up to 300 gunmen have been reported.

Fun country.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:17 PM   #36
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its been stressed before

It wouldnt help.

If they can get at americans driving in convoys with heavily armoured hummers and kill them you dont have much more of a chance than them.
Of course. But I wouldn't go unarmed in a military base in Iraq just because there's a slim chance I'll be able to defend myself.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:17 PM   #37
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It's good money, but it's no use to you dead or dying.

Count your blessings here and forget about going over there. You don't realize how good you have it until you lose it all.
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:20 PM   #38
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The more I think about it, man I would just do it for like 2 months. 2 months at that pay I could pay off both my debt as well as my fiance's, and that includes our car!

Just do it for a few months or something....
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:23 PM   #39
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Of course. But I wouldn't go unarmed in a military base in Iraq just because there's a slim chance I'll be able to defend myself.
Put it this way once your cars hit by a roadside bomb if you survive the initial blast even before the vehicle has stopped vering off the road you are hit by a hail of ak47 rounds from the other side of the road to ensure you are all finished off, so you could have all the guns in the world but you wouldnt have a chance to fire it off.

they are nasty ****ers over there and what ive described is the common ambush style at the moment for troops and other "western targets"

oh and the other ones where they pull up next to you in their car bomb whilst ur driving and detonate it .
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:31 PM   #40
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Of course. But I wouldn't go unarmed in a military base in Iraq just because there's a slim chance I'll be able to defend myself.
do you know whats really dodgy.

the americans employ jinglies to do the cooking ect on the larger camps and they are taken from off camp obviously vetted but its just asking for trouble

all you need is one bomb on a bus full of jinglies and boom
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