[Ngwkgczx]

there is never an excuse to go to the literalists just like evalengical christians, if we have bad people in politics no one should blame Imam Abu Hanifa, if you know what i mean...So is Dr zakir naik into politics as well?

[Dogxzysl]

Nope there won't be any revolution in Saudia for atleast 5-10 years..

[AndyColemants]

My biggest problem with a potential revolution in Saudi Arabia is that whatever replaces the Saudis will most likely be worse than them.

I know a lot of people would like to see them gone for many reasons (corruption, being American dogs, funding Salafi da`wah, etc.), but has anything actually been done, any plans made, to facilitate an improvement for the country should the Saudis be overthrown?

The secularists and other enemies of Islam plan, they plot, and they keep focused on their goal. We tend to just complain and hope without any actual plan for meeting our goals.

[antipenq]

Saudi Arabia is the hub of Muslim academics and a financial supporter of the Muslims around the world. Its also the main financier of Islamic Dawa'h in the world. If the Muslims today have a peaceful land with Sharia'h implemented to some extent, its Saudi Arabia.Having said that, any harm to Saudi Arabia can cause severe problems in the present balance of power between the Sunni Muslims and the Shia community. So.........Long live the king. The Pro-revolutionists should try their luck in India and Pakistan,especially the later , which is in a dire need of reforms and revolution.

[Pasy]

Saudi Arabia is the hub of Muslim academics and a financial supporter of the Muslims around the world. Its also the main financier of Islamic Dawa'h in the world. If the Muslims today have a peaceful land with Sharia'h implemented to some extent, its Saudi Arabia.Having said that, any harm to Saudi Arabia can cause severe problems in the present balance of power between the Sunni Muslims and the Shia community. So.........Long live the king. The Pro-revolutionists should try their luck in India and Pakistan,especially the later , which is in a dire need of reforms and revolution.

Not Muslim academics but salafy academics and not financial supporter of the Muslims around the world its a financial supporter of salafyiat around the world - they try to buy people out. Its not main financier of Islamic Dawah only salafy dawah. I am sorry to rain on your parade doc sahab but it will only last as long as the oil lasts. Once oil is gone it will just be in the history books.

[antipenq]

Not Muslim academics but salafy academics and not financial supporter of the Muslims around the world its a financial supporter of salafyiat around the world - they try to buy people out. Its not main financier of Islamic Dawah only salafy dawah. I am sorry to rain on your parade doc sahab but it will only last as long as the oil lasts. Once oil is gone it will just be in the history books.

Muhtaram Shaykh Fasus

I am sorry to disappoint you but you are alone in this stance as your Ulema have accepted the Arab Salafiya as mainstream Muslims. They are received as honorable guests in Saudi Arabia and are given a sound protocol. From the other side , Shaykh Sudais DB has recently led prayers in Deoband. I was recently reading "Maqalat wa Fatawa Ibn Baz ra" in which he has issued fatwas on different sects but has excluded the deobandies from any castigation. In the same book , you will find a question sent to him from Maulana Manzoor Naumani. I suggest everyone who has some grudge against the Saudis, or say who have translated the Salafi hatred into Saudi hatred to give a call to Dar Ul Ifta' dar Ul Uloom Karachi and ask their opinion about Ibn Baaz ra.
My love for Saudi Arabia is ignited by the flame of love which i have for Islam. Saudi Arabia is the center of our ideology and prestige. I have seen the Saudi Counselor himself walking in Mud during the recent floods in interior Sindh.
Though i will love to see many , the irony is that there is only 'salafi Dawaa'h' present in the world which is vibrant enough to cope with the challenges of this era. The day i see a Muslim debating a Christian of the caliber of Dr William campbell , other than Dr Zakir Naik , i will change my mind.

[AndyColemants]

Muhtaram Shaykh Fasus

I am sorry to disappoint you but you are alone in this stance as your Ulema have accepted the Arab Salafiya as mainstream Muslims. They are received as honorable guests in Saudi Arabia and are given a sound protocol. From the other side , Shaykh Sudais DB has recently led prayers in Deoband. I was recently reading "Maqalat wa Fatawa Ibn Baz ra" in which he has issued fatwas on different sects but has excluded the deobandies from any castigation. In the same book , you will find a question sent to him from Maulana Manzoor Naumani. I suggest everyone who has some grudge against the Saudis, or say who have translated the Salafi hatred into Saudi hatred to give a call to Dar Ul Ifta' dar Ul Uloom Karachi and ask their opinion about Ibn Baaz ra.
My love for Saudi Arabia is ignited by the flame of love which i have for Islam. Saudi Arabia is the center of our ideology and prestige. I have seen the Saudi Counselor himself walking in Mud during the recent floods in interior Sindh.
Though i will love to see many , the irony is that there is only 'salafi Dawaa'h' present in the world which is vibrant enough to cope with the challenges of this era. The day i see a Muslim debating a Christian of the caliber of Dr William campbell , other than Dr Zakir Naik , i will change my mind.

You're funny if you you actually believe all that. Maybe you can send it in as some official propaganda for the Saudi state.

Brother Fusus is correct when he says that they buy people into Salafiyyah (or at least this is true some times).

If I remember correctly, you're Pashtun, so just go ask someone about Sayyaf, and the other leaders of Salafiyyah of Afghanistan.

[Cuccuccaltefe]

wa alaikum as salaam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuh,

I dont think this will happen any time soon. The Saudi govt has kept its citizens happy mostly. As a brother above mentioned Saudi govt does assist Dawah projects and such for Islam.

[LeslieMoran]

Assalamu alaykum

Though i will love to see many , the irony is that there is only 'salafi Dawaa'h' present in the world which is vibrant enough to cope with the challenges of this era. The day i see a Muslim debating a Christian of the caliber of Dr William campbell , other than Dr Zakir Naik , i will change my mind. If TV is the source for this, we can't help it. But to find the real truth you have to travel to all the continents or otherwise collect the real on ground information from contact persons round the world. Just go and ask the common man who is fighting tooth and nail on the streets worldwide with christian missionaries. If you have access to the christian intelligence get whom they are afraid of.
This dawah is going on without the saudi finance. One reminder, the saudi treasury cannot AFFORD to finance this dawah.

[sallythetolly]

Though i will love to see many , the irony is that there is only 'salafi Dawaa'h' present in the world which is vibrant enough to cope with the challenges of this era. The day i see a Muslim debating a Christian of the caliber of Dr William campbell , other than Dr Zakir Naik , i will change my mind.

Salaam Dr Ati

You might have to change your mind. Zakir Naik is doing blind taqleed of Shaikh Ahmed Deedad (raheemullah). Such blind following that he even repeats Shaikh Deedats personal observations and jokes!

And shaikh Deedad was a Hanafi, inspired by Izarul Haq written by a deobandi scholar.

Lol. THATS irony.

[antipenq]

Assalamu alaykum
Ahnaf scholar had given fatwah of kufr on Ghulam Ahamed Qadiyani.

But:

The Nikah of Ghulam Ahamed Qadiyani was performed by Moulvi Nazeer Hussain Dehlvi (ahlo hadeeth scholar).

I am unaware of the work of Mawlana Nazeer Hussain Dehlvi and i am unaware of this act allegedly executed by him.

[antipenq]

Salaam Dr Ati

You might have to change your mind. Zakir Naik is doing blind taqleed of Shaikh Ahmed Deedad (raheemullah). Such blind following that he even repeats Shaikh Deedats personal observations and jokes!

And shaikh Deedad was a Hanafi, inspired by Izarul Haq written by a deobandi scholar.

Lol. THATS irony.

Dr Zakir Naik does not have any monopoly over the Dawaa'h but his sincerity and hard work is unmatched. He has devoted his whole life to this cause and has really become a 'voice of Islam' in the educated masses.For all these efforts , he should be applauded irrespective of whatever minor issues we have with his theology.
Tablighi Jamaa't is doing a great job as well but thats more like a reformatory campaign than
a well structured dawaa'h. Though i might be wrong in this assumption as i am unaware of their work outside Pakistan and UAE.

[antipenq]

Dr. Ati
I remove my post once it is read unless it is of some use to others.

What about Mawulana Dariyabadi in comparetive study. Shame they did not have TV and well organisaed and finance machine!!
Even Dr. Zakir admits Mawlana Dariyabadi wrote materials in the same field.

Mawlana Abdul Majid Dariyabadi ra has done a great work and has left behind much literature which shall be a Sadqa e jaria for him InshAllah. But lets keep it in mind that he was well equipped with the contemporary worldly knowledge which added a great articulation to his approach.I am afraid that the present day orthodox scholars from the subcontinent Ila MashAllah , can not make such efforts unless and until they change their preferences a bit.
Zakir Naik has set his preferences right and has never compromised on that. Even he was bashed by the Ahli Hadiths for his reluctance to acknowledge the term 'Salafi' and he even talked to Shaykh Nasir Uddin Albani ra regarding it. Its unexpected of a Mawlana who is more interested in promoting his 'group thought'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaNWj...eature=related

[LeslieMoran]

Dr Zakir Naik does not have any monopoly over the Dawaa'h but his sincerity and hard work is unmatched. He has devoted his whole life to this cause and has really become a 'voice of Islam' in the educated masses.For all these efforts , he should be applauded irrespective of whatever minor issues we have with his theology.
Tablighi Jamaa't is doing a great job as well but thats more like a reformatory campaign than
a well structured dawaa'h. Though i might be wrong in this assumption as i am unaware of their work outside Pakistan and UAE.

Dr Zakir Naik does not have any monopoly over the Dawaa'h but his sincerity and hard work is unmatched. He has devoted his whole life to this cause and has really become a 'voice of Islam' in the educated masses.For all these efforts , he should be applauded irrespective of whatever minor issues we have with his theology We don't doubt his sincerity and hard work. But he has his limitation, he is an expert in his field but not in everything. Is he aware of the real status of ummah world wide, whether he has solutions for that, whether his solutions are implemented. The educated masses get information from media and in media they only see Zakir naik. They are not aware of services put by millions of other sincere muslims. (which are not published).
The educated lot believes in reactive actions. They are not aware of pro-active services to Islam which makes the root of Islam strong. With this as background, yes, zakir naik is hero for them.
Tablighi Jamaa't is doing a great job as well but thats more like a reformatory campaign than
a well structured dawaa'h. Though i might be wrong in this assumption as i am unaware of their work outside Pakistan and UAE Well structured? Muslims from all parts of e world (not pakistan and UAE alone) are seeking guidance from to Nizamuddin markaz, is that not structured?. TJ sathees from most of the countries visit Nizamuddin markaz by turn after about 18 months. To be on record, you will see TJ workers in all parts of the world wherever muslims are present, whether it is a muslim or communist country. Translation of fazail-e-amal in almost all languages which muslims speak (except arabic, because riyadussaliheen is read here instead).

[avappyboalt]

Dr Zakir Naik does not have any monopoly over the Dawaa'h but his sincerity and hard work is unmatched. He has devoted his whole life to this cause and has really become a 'voice of Islam' in the educated masses.For all these efforts , he should be applauded irrespective of whatever minor issues we have with his theology.
Tablighi Jamaa't is doing a great job as well but thats more like a reformatory campaign than
a well structured dawaa'h. Though i might be wrong in this assumption as i am unaware of their work outside Pakistan and UAE.

I believe you are far blinded from the truth.

The comment above only assess that you have no understanding of 'Structure Dawah' in light of the Quran and Sunnah and only have an understanding of that application that modern interpretation have laid down.

Dawah is not one metric and why do people not get it?

Its application was never about rhetoric's on the mimbar or today behind a podium [highly non-constructive even according to presentation practitioners].

It would be better understood as a 'service' or 'khidmat to the creation' and requires individuals or a group of people within a community to draw people to Allah and the Sunnah of his Rasul [Peace be upon him] and their are methodologies in light of the Quran and Sunnah coined as principals to adhere to the practice.

Any serious study of the methodology of the Prophet [Peace be upon him] and his companions [May Allah be please with him] will explain this.

Part of the problem in modern Islam especially in Dawah is the obsession with the Daee.
Understand that the daee is insignificant in comparison to the Sahabah. The intention is to promote their way of life since they are the 'blueprint society' to adhere, no one else matters, why? Because Allah himself has elevated them and asks us to make our Imaan like them and the Prophet [Peace be upon him] wants us become like them.

The methodology of Dawah is as important as the message, why? Because it has to be the chosen method accord in light of the Quran and Sunnah, sure there are dynamics within this but these dynamics have to be extracted and documented by a competent scholar and then adhered to depending on the situation and circumstance.

I am not against Mass communication methods but can give 101 reasons why TV is a bad way to do dawah however those points are irrelevant, what is relevant is WHY Allah chose to do dawah in a particular method via his Prophet [peace be upon him] and his companions. Every single applied method had a reasoning and an impact on society, the most important being that the Masjid is the fundamental location that Dawah must be conducted if the circumstance permits [madina period] and if the circumstance does not permit [makkah period] then how do you establish a dawah base has also been explained i.e. daarul akram.

I could go on but in order to really grasp is you have to study the seerah and the lives of the sahabah with this one single frame of thinking i.e. to extract a methodology that adheres strictly to the sunnah and all other methods although have temporary gains will be damaging in the longer term.

Dr Zaik Naik for all of his exceptional achievements got overwhelmed with his data crunching and when statistics showed that people in the millions were watching the channels started to encourage people to buy satellites and TVs. Did you know that with a flick of a button the next channel you could be watching is either porn or gambling? He obviously did not understand basic human weakness, our insatiable appetite for all things that satisfy our base desires.

[avappyboalt]

@ahamad-sharif, could you drop me an email over at www.meaningofquran.com I want to chat about some of your other posts especially modern techniques in time mamagment, productivity, etc whic are rooted in out tradition

[Hsmrcahr]

I believe you are far blinded from the truth.

The comment above only assess that you have no understanding of 'Structure Dawah' in light of the Quran and Sunnah and only have an understanding of that application that modern interpretation have laid down.

Dawah is not one metric and why do people not get it?

Its application was never about rhetoric's on the mimbar or today behind a podium [highly non-constructive even according to presentation practitioners].

It would be better understood as a 'service' or 'khidmat to the creation' and requires individuals or a group of people within a community to draw people to Allah and the Sunnah of his Rasul [Peace be upon him] and their are methodologies in light of the Quran and Sunnah coined as principals to adhere to the practice.

Any serious study of the methodology of the Prophet [Peace be upon him] and his companions [May Allah be please with him] will explain this.

Part of the problem in modern Islam especially in Dawah is the obsession with the Daee.
Understand that the daee is insignificant in comparison to the Sahabah. The intention is to promote their way of life since they are the 'blueprint society' to adhere, no one else matters, why? Because Allah himself has elevated them and asks us to make our Imaan like them and the Prophet [Peace be upon him] wants us become like them.

The methodology of Dawah is as important as the message, why? Because it has to be the chosen method accord in light of the Quran and Sunnah, sure there are dynamics within this but these dynamics have to be extracted and documented by a competent scholar and then adhered to depending on the situation and circumstance.

I am not against Mass communication methods but can give 101 reasons why TV is a bad way to do dawah however those points are irrelevant, what is relevant is WHY Allah chose to do dawah in a particular method via his Prophet [peace be upon him] and his companions. Every single applied method had a reasoning and an impact on society, the most important being that the Masjid is the fundamental location that Dawah must be conducted if the circumstance permits [madina period] and if the circumstance does not permit [makkah period] then how do you establish a dawah base has also been explained i.e. daarul akram.

I could go on but in order to really grasp is you have to study the seerah and the lives of the sahabah with this one single frame of thinking i.e. to extract a methodology that adheres strictly to the sunnah and all other methods although have temporary gains will be damaging in the longer term.

Dr Zaik Naik for all of his exceptional achievements got overwhelmed with his data crunching and when statistics showed that people in the millions were watching the channels started to encourage people to buy satellites and TVs. Did you know that with a flick of a button the next channel you could be watching is either porn or gambling? He obviously did not understand basic human weakness, our insatiable appetite for all things that satisfy our base desires.

Good post brother. Truly the noble work of dawah should be learnt from our nabi (s.a.w) life and sahaba.
Allah (s.w.t) hum sab ko dawath ki haqeeqat samjhaye... Ameen.
Also, may Allah (s.w.t) save us from fitnah... Ameen.

[Cuccuccaltefe]

I believe you are far blinded from the truth.

The comment above only assess that you have no understanding of 'Structure Dawah' in light of the Quran and Sunnah and only have an understanding of that application that modern interpretation have laid down.

Dawah is not one metric and why do people not get it?

Its application was never about rhetoric's on the mimbar or today behind a podium [highly non-constructive even according to presentation practitioners].

It would be better understood as a 'service' or 'khidmat to the creation' and requires individuals or a group of people within a community to draw people to Allah and the Sunnah of his Rasul [Peace be upon him] and their are methodologies in light of the Quran and Sunnah coined as principals to adhere to the practice.

Any serious study of the methodology of the Prophet [Peace be upon him] and his companions [May Allah be please with him] will explain this.

Part of the problem in modern Islam especially in Dawah is the obsession with the Daee.
Understand that the daee is insignificant in comparison to the Sahabah. The intention is to promote their way of life since they are the 'blueprint society' to adhere, no one else matters, why? Because Allah himself has elevated them and asks us to make our Imaan like them and the Prophet [Peace be upon him] wants us become like them.

The methodology of Dawah is as important as the message, why? Because it has to be the chosen method accord in light of the Quran and Sunnah, sure there are dynamics within this but these dynamics have to be extracted and documented by a competent scholar and then adhered to depending on the situation and circumstance.

I am not against Mass communication methods but can give 101 reasons why TV is a bad way to do dawah however those points are irrelevant, what is relevant is WHY Allah chose to do dawah in a particular method via his Prophet [peace be upon him] and his companions. Every single applied method had a reasoning and an impact on society, the most important being that the Masjid is the fundamental location that Dawah must be conducted if the circumstance permits [madina period] and if the circumstance does not permit [makkah period] then how do you establish a dawah base has also been explained i.e. daarul akram.

I could go on but in order to really grasp is you have to study the seerah and the lives of the sahabah with this one single frame of thinking i.e. to extract a methodology that adheres strictly to the sunnah and all other methods although have temporary gains will be damaging in the longer term.

Dr Zaik Naik for all of his exceptional achievements got overwhelmed with his data crunching and when statistics showed that people in the millions were watching the channels started to encourage people to buy satellites and TVs. Did you know that with a flick of a button the next channel you could be watching is either porn or gambling? He obviously did not understand basic human weakness, our insatiable appetite for all things that satisfy our base desires.

This can be said about the internet as well and the irony is that we're discussing this on an internet site. You are unreasonably harsh on Zakir Naik and calling the brother blind because he disagrees with your opinion.

Consider this: Dr. Zakir Naik opened a channel to fight back the criticisms and misinformation against Islam by other channels (mainstream western media). How is it Dr. Zakir Naik's problem that one person bought TV with the intention to watch peace TV and then flicks on porno channels? This is unreasonable.

In the same way, how can you blame the admins of www.sunniforum.com to open a internet forum platform to share islamic information when they knew people may buy internet service to come on this site but can get weak and access porn sites too? It's very unreasonable line of thinking.

May Allah support our duaat who are bringing Islamic information to the masses and make us one of them.

[Hsmrcahr]

Consider this: Dr. Zakir Naik opened a channel to fight back the criticisms and misinformation against Islam by other channels (mainstream western media). How is it Dr. Zakir Naik's problem that one person bought TV with the intention to watch peace TV and then flicks on porno channels? This is unreasonable.

May Allah support our duaat who are bringing Islamic information to the masses and make us one of them.

Thats not unreasonable. He is using this media for dawah which is an obligation. You cannot use whatever means at hand to fulfill an obligation.
for eg., a prostitute announces that she will build a masjid from the money she will earn from her customers. The niyyat is good, but the means used is wrong.
Todays ummah is so weak that it just needs some way to make things halal. so, when a person of this calibre (whatso ever) uses the same means to achieve his objective, then the ummah is sure to be accepting this fitnah.
BTW, Using TV only for one channel is impossible. So, if Dr. Naik uses it, do you make it halal for all the ummah ?
In the same way, how can you blame the admins of www.sunniforum.com to open a internet forum platform to share islamic information when they knew people may buy internet service to come on this site but can get weak and access porn sites too? It's very unreasonable line of thinking. Funny. did you get internet service to visit sunniforum? Thats not an obligation on you ?
Atleast i did not. and i believe millions of visitors on this forum did not.
May Allah support our duaat who are bringing Islamic information to the masses and make us one of them. Ameen... but there is a proper islamic way to that... May Allah (s.w.t) make us one of those who follows the sunnah (for the propagation of deen as well).

[Cuccuccaltefe]

Thats not unreasonable. He is using this media for dawah and thats an obligation. You cannot use whatever means at hand to fulfill an obligation.
for eg., a prostitute announces that she will build a masjid from the money she will earn from her customers. The niyyat is good, but the means used is wrong.
Todays ummah is so weak that it just needs some way to make things halal. so, when a person of this calibre (whatso ever) uses the same means to achieve his objective, then the ummah is sure to be accepting this fitnah.
BTW, Using TV only for one channel is impossible. So, if Dr. Naik uses it, do you make it halal for all the ummah ?

Funny. did you get internet service to visit sunniforum? Thats not an obligation on you ?
Atleast i did not. and i believe millions of visitors on this forum did not.

Ameen... but there is a proper islamic way to that... May Allah (s.w.t) make us one of those who follows the sunnah (for the propagation of deen as well).

Are you contending that Islamic Channels on TV are impermissible or TV's in general are impermissible? By extension that also mean internet sites based on the same logic.