[opergolon]

Okay, I have been reading through the forums and even took some notes regarding Dosages, where to buy supplies and the Hcg itself. The confusion comees into play when I began reading posts where people are spending $300.00 for two rounds of hHcg? The website AllDayChemist sells the 2000 and 5000 iu vials for less than $20.00. Am I reading this wrong? Also, where do I get the actual diet instructions? I have been reading through the forums and see that there is a "loading" phase of the diet but I read where one person used a ton of lotions and ate McDonalds and Pizza and Chocolate till they were sick and another said that it isn't neccesary. I really do not want to spend a bunch of money on a bogus diet plan, done that enough! I am planning on buying 4 of the 2000 iu vials for the shots and buying the kit from off one of the web links I found in the begginer forums ($35.00 and free S&H) I guess now I just need the plan to follow and to know if I am correct in thinking whoever spends $300.00 for 2 rounds AND is still starving on top of spending a fortune is being ripped off? I am going to order the Hcg the second I know I am the right track, can't wait to get going! Awesome Website BTW!

[ggdfgtdfffhfyj]

Okay, I have been reading through the forums and even took some notes regarding Dosages, where to buy supplies and the Hcg itself. The confusion comees into play when I began reading posts where people are spending $300.00 for two rounds of hHcg? The website AllDayChemist sells the 2000 and 5000 iu vials for less than $20.00. Am I reading this wrong? Also, where do I get the actual diet instructions? I have been reading through the forums and see that there is a "loading" phase of the diet but I read where one person used a ton of lotions and ate McDonalds and Pizza and Chocolate till they were sick and another said that it isn't neccesary. I really do not want to spend a bunch of money on a bogus diet plan, done that enough! I am planning on buying 4 of the 2000 iu vials for the shots and buying the kit from off one of the web links I found in the begginer forums ($35.00 and free S&H) I guess now I just need the plan to follow and to know if I am correct in thinking whoever spends $300.00 for 2 rounds AND is still starving on top of spending a fortune is being ripped off? I am going to order the Hcg the second I know I am the right track, can't wait to get going! Awesome Website BTW!

Where you buy it, and the supports that are offered (this would be clinics that have an ongoing relationship with you throughout your round I'm referring to), taking into account where you live, will play a massive roll in how much you pay for this diet. As a Canadian I cannot get hCG across the border without utilizing a scheme reminiscent of Oceans 11 (the original, not the crappy remake). A cheap cost means little if the border guards are using it as a paper weight

There is a lot of bogus hCG out there, so you can only give yourself the best chance of being on the right track and hope for the best.

The actual diet instructions are here:
http://hcgdietinfo.com/Dr-ATW-Simeon...and-Inches.htm

Yes it is a book and yes it is completely worth the time to read.

Loading is a time for you to eat tonnes of high fat foods to ensure that your normal fat reserves are topped up, since if you walk in to a highly restrictive diet that restricts your intake, to process your abnormal fat, and you don't have those reserves you'll be in a world of ow (trust me since I have experience with loading poorly and am approaching my next round and plan to load in a fashion that is epic).

If you get your hCG in time for the start of New Years, we have a loading group (link in my signature). You're welcome to join

Good luck!

[Itrtuawh]

Thank you so much! And I will try and get it by the first but I think shipping will be a killer! I live in Washington State (not far from the Canadian border in fact) and I plan on using the AllDayChemist to order my Hcg. I am thinking that will be a safe bet to get the real thing and without issue since it comes reccomended on this site by one of the mods (fingers crossed). Although I am waiting until 1:30 today for my doc to get back from lunch and if all goes well I can get the hcg and stuff through him. Again thank you for the info and invite! Really love this site!

[ExelePlavisseu]

I have another question, I know these are probably self explainatory but for some reason I ssem to be getting conflicting information. I read this on the Dr. Simeons Ounds and Inches manuscript:

125 I.U. of HCG daily (except during menstruation) until 40 injections have been given.
***Until 3rd injection forced feeding. (it is this that is confusing me?)***
After 3rd injection, 500 Calorie diet to be continued until 72 hours after the last injection.
For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit).
After 3 weeks, very gradually add starch in small quantities, always controlled by morning weighing.

So this is what I believe to be how I need to start the diet

2 days of eating foods high in fat, low in starch
Then on 3rd day start injections along with VLCD of 500 cal and follow the food protocol
Inject every day same time of day for 40 days except time of month but restart 1st day after last menses
Wiegh myself every morning same time and after morning pee
Take measurment before 3rd day and then again 3 days after last injection
Start re introducing some fats back into diet after 3rd day
Take 3 week break from injection rounds

Begin again with R2 after 3 weeks changing diet to suit P2

?Am I right? Do I got this down or what? Seems kind of overwhelming at first but I think I may be getting it.

CAN NOT WAIT TO GET GOING! PRAYING THAT MY HCG AND KIT ARRIVES BEFORE 1ST!

[WhileKelf]

2 days of eating foods high in fat, low in starch
Then on 3rd day start injections along with VLCD of 500 cal and follow the food protocol
Inject every day same time of day for 40 days except time of month but restart 1st day after last menses
Wiegh myself every morning same time and after morning pee
Take measurment before 3rd day and then again 3 days after last injection
Start re introducing some fats back into diet after 3rd day
Take 3 week break from injection rounds

Begin again with R2 after 3 weeks changing diet to suit P2

?Am I right? Do I got this down or what? Seems kind of overwhelming at first but I think I may be getting it.

CAN NOT WAIT TO GET GOING! PRAYING THAT MY HCG AND KIT ARRIVES BEFORE 1ST!

Your injection phase (phase 2 or P2) starts with 2 days of injecting yourself while loading (this is why they are called "loading" groups when we form a thread to support each other, since they start with loading) up on fatty foods. Don't worry about starch at this stage. This is where you can eat coconut oil, avacad....err crappy foods and justify it as part of your diet. The rationale behind this is to fill up your normal reserves of accessible fat before you go into your 500 calorie diet (very low calorie diet or VLCD). If you do not do this step then you're in for a world of hurt when you start your round.

You are injecting yourself while loading, since it takes about 72 hours for the hCG to be built up in your system.

You are correct, day 3 starts the VLCD on Dr. Simeons' protocol.

If you are doing injections then every 7th day should be taken off (stay on VLCD, but no injection on that 7th day) to avoid building up an immunity to the hCG.

I would take your measurements on day 1, then again every week. If you stall on the scales, but see loss in inches you will feel better than just a stall on the scales. You will stall, prepare for that.

Phase 3 is you stabilizing. So your goal is to keep yourself within 2.0 pounds of your last injection weight (LIW). This is when you have a 3 week restriction from starch and sugar (harder than it sounds). Fats are not a worry here like they were in Phase 2. You're doing this stage to get to know your body and how you react to foods, so some people can nom on bacon and others gain when a butterfly zips by.

Round 2 needs to be 6 weeks away from your first round.

[Edifsdubs]

This might help as well...

My Strange Advice to Newcomers (yes, I am off my meds and off leash)

GOOD LUCK!

p.s. Yes I am strange, but there is some solid advice in there

[wbondarmunw]

Everything alcoholswab is the gospel truth! I just want to add one thing. Reading the P&I manuscript is confusing. Probably because it's seems like old fashion talk! So keep that in mind while you read it from cover to cover * Especially* in the beginning, over and over! But keep asking this group about things you aren't sure of cas it really helps put ur mind at ease. This protocol really seemed overwhelming in the beginning. But as I've gone along and learned from myself and others, its been way more simple than I thought.
BTW. One thing I kept worrying about, even before I started was my face lotion/sunscreen and stuff like that. I believe the only real change was using an oil free sunscreen/moisturizer from neutrogena.
Oh and If ur regular doctor will give u the script for the HCG that would be ideal!! Much less hassle and way cheaper and faster you go girl, your gonna live this * IT REALLY DOES WORK!*


Shannon
Miamidecor@yahoo.com

[cymnPrayerm]

Another thing you don't have to go off the HCG when your TOM (time of month) arrives. At that time they thought women produced HCG during that time but now we know that women do not. So just stay on the HCG except for skip days. Good luck.

La.girl

[ggiifdfalls]

This is the first Christmas since I was kid that I remember being so excited about the mail coming! Thank you for the advice! BTW, whether or not you're strange is irrelevant... have you lost weight on hCG is what matters! Just kidding, I have printed out your instructions and have taped them to my bathroom mirror, so now I hurry up and wait!

[lakraboob]

Another thing you don't have to go off the HCG when your TOM (time of month) arrives. At that time they thought women produced HCG during that time but now we know that women do not. So just stay on the HCG except for skip days. Good luck.

La.girl

Oh good! I was wondering if stopping for TOM would slow me down or throw me off track somehow. I really can't get over how helpful everyone here has been, it surprises me how much better I feel about starting yet another diet, all because of all the great success stories shared here and all the support everyone passes around. Hope you all have a great Christmas!

[Stappipsy]

Hi Shannon
I am starting to feel less intimadated by all the info, so many things to remember! I just keep jotting down the main things to remember and whats nice is that even if I am pretty sure I got it down I am able to just sign on and ask I have a terrible time in the winter with dry skin so I'll definately be picking up some neutrogena moisturizer, do you know of anything that is allowed on this diet that can be used for all over moisturizer? Washington State winters are horribly drying which is strange since it's so darn rainy and wet here ALL THE TIME. Usually in the winter months I bathe once a week in a concoction of condensed milk and grape seed oil, that really helps but I am sure neither the condensed milk or the grape seed oil is on the protocol
Oh yeah, my regular doc won't perscribe it, he pointed me to a Naturopath but it's much cheaper to order it from the AllDayChemist than it is to pay huge fee's to a Naturopath every time I need a refill. Thanks for the encouragement! I totally know I am going to be back to my pre fatso weight by this summer! Very determined! Hope you have an awesome holiday and ttyl!


(btw I love Florida! *Boca Raton* so beautiful!)

[cewIdeatovace]

This might help as well...

My Strange Advice to Newcomers (yes, I am off my meds and off leash)

GOOD LUCK!

p.s. Yes I am strange, but there is some solid advice in there

Thanks, a very informative post!

[FrassyLap]

Hi Shannon
I am starting to feel less intimadated by all the info, so many things to remember! I just keep jotting down the main things to remember and whats nice is that even if I am pretty sure I got it down I am able to just sign on and ask I have a terrible time in the winter with dry skin so I'll definately be picking up some neutrogena moisturizer, do you know of anything that is allowed on this diet that can be used for all over moisturizer? Washington State winters are horribly drying which is strange since it's so darn rainy and wet here ALL THE TIME. Usually in the winter months I bathe once a week in a concoction of condensed milk and grape seed oil, that really helps but I am sure neither the condensed milk or the grape seed oil is on the protocol
Oh yeah, my regular doc won't perscribe it, he pointed me to a Naturopath but it's much cheaper to order it from the AllDayChemist than it is to pay huge fee's to a Naturopath every time I need a refill. Thanks for the encouragement! I totally know I am going to be back to my pre fatso weight by this summer! Very determined! Hope you have an awesome holiday and ttyl!


(btw I love Florida! *Boca Raton* so beautiful!)

Oil is the enemy. I don't use moisturizers (I just accept being scaley like a lizard), but I hear aloe-based ones being touted often enough to suggest you look at them. As with everything I would read the labels before trusting it.

Keep in mind I gave you information in a shotgun fashion speaking to the overall program, as per your wishes m'lady. You don't have to worry about P3 or P4 at this point. I would put blinders on and just put your focus on your injection phase. Once you feel comfortable with that, you can pop your head up and look at the rest of the program.

As always fire out any questions you might have and we'll try to help.

p.s. I've lost a bit on hCG, so I is smert and stuffs!

[bahrains27]

Oil is the enemy. I don't use moisturizers (I just accept being scaley like a lizard), but I hear aloe-based ones being touted often enough to suggest you look at them. As with everything I would read the labels before trusting it.

Keep in mind I gave you information in a shotgun fashion speaking to the overall program, as per your wishes m'lady. You don't have to worry about P3 or P4 at this point. I would put blinders on and just put your focus on your injection phase. Once you feel comfortable with that, you can pop your head up and look at the rest of the program.

As always fire out any questions you might have and we'll try to help.

p.s. I've lost a bit on hCG, so I is smert and stuffs!

*smiles*

[Z3s9vQZj]

Um, alcoholswab, aren't u a dude?!?! Lol
Just sayin cas most dudes I've known have never used the word "moisturizer" in a sentence, much less on their face!

And I really don't use other stuff for the rest of my body except for the baby oil or vaseline. Everyone I've asked, and have asked many women, most say stuff w/o animal or food oil is ok, like mineral oil. It's tough to read every ingredient on a product! I can't pronounce half of it! So i just stick with what dr s said about the mineral oil stuff, except for that there oil free moisterizer/sunscreen, cas I can not live w/o face
protection!!!!!


Shannon
Miamidecor@yahoo.com

[6M8PJigS]

WOOP WOOP! getting closer! I got my injection kit in the mail last night I know that the two companies are not related in any way but it was still kinda exciting to get the first part of my 'remedy' Now I need to pray extra hard that the hCG arrives by the first of the year, I'm gonna check the tracking info tonight and hoping it's made it to the States.!

[ahagotyou]

Um, alcoholswab, aren't u a dude?!?! Lol
Just sayin cas most dudes I've known have never used the word "moisturizer" in a sentence, much less on their face!

Real men, like me, use moisturizer all the time. Don't be silly.

(prances away)

[attractiveweb]

@alchoswab!! U kill me!Lol Wouldn't it be cool if we all lived in the same place and had like a HCG party??!! Omg I think that would be so fun! Hangin out and everyone talking about this?! And model for each other! Before & after pics, like AA, "hi I'm Shannon and I'm an HCG addict"

@nic, how long ago did u order? U must be goin crazy over there waiting!!?? I ALMOST got my regular doc to give me a script, cas I've been tellin him I wanted to do it for 6 months. But he kinda felt uncomfortable, even though hes not against it. But I found a "clinic" who's owner happens to own a compounding phamcy. And got them to just take an emailed medical history form and they actually drove to my house and delived!!!! HCG clinics are poppin up like burger kings around here! Better than a drive thru?!?!!! Lol I couldn't believe it! I paid $150 for x2 5000 iu rubber sealed bottles and they threw in all the fixings too! I started the next day, didn't even know how to mix! But they walked me through it on the phone wrong and someone online told me how to mix it proper. It's been pretty great so far. The first week, that's what was the hardest for me! But afterward, although I've had a few slips, errr um, crashes really and that really slowed me down. So if u can avoid cheating in the beginning ull be sooo much better off!! And I mean you will lose POUNDS, quick, daily, I mean it's an amazing feeling!!

But ALCHOLSWAB said it best; " eat for fuel not for flavor" somthing like that that's sooo true here!
Ttyl
Xoxo


Shannon
Miamidecor@yahoo.com

[zlopikanikanz]

Hi Shannon, I agree totally, it is reassuring to know that there is someone I can ask questions to and get the answer, the correct answer. A big difference between information from someone who's only read instructions and someone who's actuallt living it. Swab does know what he's talking about and has some great advice such as eat for fuel, kinda puts it in a new perspective for me... simplizes things (LOL)
I lost my husband in 06 and since then money has been tighter than tight so even spending the $180.00 and getting it the next day might as well be a thousand bucks for us, the AllDayChemist came highly reccomended per this site and with shipping it was less than $60.00 then the injection kit was like $40.00 ($39.99 I think) but if I had to spend the money to see a Naturopath on top of that I would be set back another month before I could afford the actual hCG and fixin's. Florida is a lot more lieniant as far as pharmacuticals are concerned where as Washington is as close to a communist state as we can get without actually being labled such (in case you're wondering I despise this State! and will relocate as soon as I am able). After checking on the shipping of my 'goods' all I could find out was that it has been accepted, put together, and shipped. I recieced one e-mail from them saying 5 to 15 days but they sent another one that says 5-12 and their web site says 5 to 12 as well so I am using positive thinking and a whole lot of wishin that it gets here no later than the 12 days which will put me at the first day of January (timed it pretty perfect if it works out but I don't want to jinx it either so I don't let myself count on it getting here by then). As far as cheating goes, I will pack a change of clothes and go live in a tent with nothing but protocol food for the first week if it gets to hairy, I am determined to do this and to do right and as fast as possible. I just wish there wasn't a break between rounds but I understand if you don't break you become tolerant to the hCG and it stops working so I'll do what has to be done. I just keep visualizing going to the mall and buying a size 9-10 in jeans! I can't wait for this summer, last summer was miserable cuz I gained back 30# of the 67 I had lost the year before so I was too hot and not feeling my best. I am already 41 and it has been a trying 41 years so I've decided that I have earned and deserve the rest of my life to be lived to the fullest and that means health as well as beauty. I don't want to be "skinny" I want to keep my bootie and still havae some meat on my bones but not quite this much meat LOL. I don't look my best if I am "skinny" and I definately don't feel my best when "skinny" and by skinny I mean wearing a size 5. Even a size 7 is pushing it for me but I wouldn't be upset about it that's for sure! It would b e nice if there was a hcg home group type forum here for each region of the states and other countries too of course. Very good idea, hmmm perhaps if it hasn't been started yet it should! I think you would need to talk to a mod here to start something like that, super idea!

[Poll Pitt]

Omg! I woke up with a rash all over my extremities!!! It reminds me of the hazel nut incident of 1998! Slightly itchy, reddish tiny bumps. The only thing I did different was about 20 small spoons of honey nut Cheerios and maybe some double chocolate brownie ice cream snuck in the bowl!!!
I have no idea what it could be?!?!


Shannon
Miamidecor@yahoo.com