[ebookinfo]

WTCC was started by Eurosport events so FIA won't tell anything against IRC.. It's only preasure on manufacturers..

OK let´s wait and see... only it takes a couple of years.

[patuvammnogoo]

I wouldn´t think FIA will let IRC continue in current form (a worldwide serie) as equal with WRC. Maybe as European championship (ERC) possibly...

As stated above FIA can't do anything ! If (example) every manufacturers leave WRC and go IRC, then WRC championship is dead !

[uMG6uOSo]

As stated above FIA can't do anything ! If (example) every manufacturers leave WRC and go IRC, then WRC championship is dead !

Why would they all move to the irc? With the new regs if you want to go rallying you have to make a 1.6T car. Surely the car needs FIA homologation to be viable? The budgets are similar so why would you then choose to go to the lesser irc?

People who still think the irc is going to take over in the longterm. Well now would probably be a good time to wake up.

[BriKevin]

I hope that manufacturers will be allowed to homologate the new S1600Ts without having to sign up for the WRC, otherwise the FIA have just done the sport of rallying in general a great disservice.

[patuvammnogoo]

Why would they all move to the irc?

I wrote "EXAMPLE", figures...

[Eagevawax]

So it’ll be S2000/1.6T…finally after almost 3 years FIA decide it!

Sure there are still some doubts – level of 1.6T engine tuning, existence of aerodynamic package, etc – but setting a definitive guideline it’s crucial in order to attract new manufacturers.

Expanding S2000/1.6T category to all rally international series can also be a major step into WRC and IRC complementary, witch seems to be a newly FIA concern and somehow could be linked with the 2011 calendar presentation delay.

Rally future will only get damage from the ISC/Eurosport rivalry, so it’s more than time to establish the necessary adjustments in order to have both organizers working together on one strong international rally series.

[rxnixoncom]

ISC can not do what Eurosport events can and that's live show 'cos nobody wants to buy it..

[Eagevawax]

ISC can not do what Eurosport events can and that's live show 'cos nobody wants to buy it..

...even so, ISC has the WRC label.


A bit of humour from the google translation of 2011 S2000/1.6T article by rallyemagazine.de

"The Ford Fiesta will be the last with two-liter S2000 vacuum cleaner. The FIA decided at the last meeting of the World Council that in 2011 only to be homologated S2000 cars that are powered by a 1.6-liter turbo engine. Learn more about technical specifications of the WRC's successor will be announced in the coming days.
Simultaneously, the World Council reaffirmed that allowed both Super2000 variants (suckers and Turbo), and Group N cars in the WRC in 2011 and regional championships start."

[karkinadze]

They definately have to rename the cars then. A 1.6 Liter-Turbo is no Super 2000 anymore.

[uMG6uOSo]

They definately have to rename the cars then. A 1.6 Liter-Turbo is no Super 2000 anymore.

Yeah agreed. Obviously the upgraded cars will just be renamed WRC's. But the entry level stuff needs a new name really.

[sbrscnds]

ISC can not do what Eurosport events can and that's live show 'cos nobody wants to buy it..

Exactly! I do wonder whether the WRC has fallen so far that it impossible to get back in the mainstream. For a lot of countries, Motorsport is F1. End of!!

[DJkillos]

If there will be no more homologations and upgrades of the current fleet of S2000 cars, it would make sense to convert them to 1600T spec, but not WRCar.

Do FIA have thought about this, or will they ditch 5-6 manufacturers of good rallycars ?

[hictchewisa]

I think R4 is way to go for IRC. i hope R4 isnt only EVO and Impreza.

[ggiifdfalls]

I think R4 is way to go for IRC. i hope R4 isnt only EVO and Impreza.

Maybe it's time for the new Focus RS AWD!?

[regfortruegoo]

They have no suitable 4x4 stock system. I very much doubt they would invest into expensive development of something close to Evo or Impreza. Also there is no suitable production engine in Ford portfolio. 2.5T I5 isn't useful for rallying.

[VanDerSmok]

2.5T I5 isn't useful for rallying.

It seems to be possible by the 2010 group N regulations.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/E39B75C41C619A90C125774C002CE6F4/$FILE/254%20(10-11).pdf
page 4, b) supercharged engines.

[regfortruegoo]

Yes, but Ford 2.5T is not supercharged but turbocharged.

[Brainpole]

The FIA definition of "supercharging" includes both mechanically driven superchargers and turbochargers. See 2.3.2 on page 4 here:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...10)-111209.pdf

[VanDerSmok]

Yes, but Ford 2.5T is not supercharged but turbocharged.

Yeah sorry, I mixed the definition of super versus turbo charging as wkikipedia also does.

Some examples from wikipedia:
A supercharger is an air compressor used for forced induction of an internal combustion engine .
The greater mass flow-rate provides more oxygen to support combustion than would be available in a naturally-aspirated engine, which allows more fuel to be provided and more work to be done per cycle, increasing the power output of the engine.
Power for the unit can come mechanically by a belt, gear, shaft, or chain connected to the engine's crankshaft.
When power comes from an exhaust gas turbine a supercharger is known as a turbosupercharger[1] - typically referred to simply as a turbocharger. Common usage restricts the term supercharger to mechanically driven units.
And…..
Supercharger drive types

Superchargers are further defined according to their method of drive (mechanical—or turbine).
[edit] Mechanical

• Belt (V-belt, Synchronous belt, Flat belt)
• Direct drive
• Gear drive
• Chain drive

[edit] Exhaust gas turbines

• Axial turbine
• Radial turbine

And……
Supercharging versus turbocharging

Positive-displacement superchargers may absorb as much as a third of the total crankshaft power of the engine, and, in many applications, are less efficient than turbochargers. In applications for which engine response and power are more important than any other consideration, such as top-fuel dragsters and vehicles used in tractor pulling competitions, positive-displacement superchargers are very common.
There are three main categories of superchargers for automotive use:

• Centrifugal turbochargers — driven from exhaust gases.
• Centrifugal superchargers — driven directly by the engine via a belt-drive.
• Positive displacement pumps — such as the Roots, Twin Screw(Lysholm), and TVS(Eaton) blowers.

[ggiifdfalls]

They have no suitable 4x4 stock system. I very much doubt they would invest into expensive development of something close to Evo or Impreza. Also there is no suitable production engine in Ford portfolio. 2.5T I5 isn't useful for rallying.

Ford is working on a new Focus RS but instead of using the current car’s 2.5-liter five-cylinder turbo and advanced RevoKnuckle front-wheel drive system and Quaife differential, the next-generation of the high-performance Focus RS will feature a revolutionary hybrid system offering the option of all-wheel drive (AWD). The hybrid system will team a 2.0-liter four-cylinder turbo Ford EcoBoost engine, peak output should remain around the 300 horsepower mark. As strange as it may seem that Ford would make such a radical departure for its Focus RS, it’s a move Mitsubishi is planning to do for the next-generation of its Lancer Evolution series, the Evo XI.