[Buildityrit]

sts and sto -

this is a place of polarity, and as with a battery you need both poles in order for current to flow. differential allowing for work prefers neither pole. differential. catalysis. mark

[IRYzouNv]

well, foo, you may be right, after all i don't know. but i suspect you might not be as free as you think, and you might not be the author of the structure of the universe. if we are largely constrained here, why shouldn't we be constrained on the other side as well, albeit differently, or not as much perhaps.

infinity is true now, yet i don't have access to the other side across the veil, much less the beings far advanced of me and their realms. my thought is that you get to these realms when you are ready to belong in them.

even though i think your attitude is a good one. i've given some thought to the way that our prison here is a voluntary one of our own making and that getting free is largely a matter of seeing through the delusions.

[Anypeny]

i am perfectly okay with repeating 3d. i don't think i'm anywhere near 4d, sts or sto. (but i do feel acceptance of sts is shunned in this forum, although not by loo).

and as far as going on to 6d or 7d, we must remember that we chose 3d for a reason. we might find 6d utterly boring.

i have made that point in the past actually. you may be right. we might find it boring. and if i do then i will come back to 3d and have another experience.

well, foo, you may be right, after all i don't know. but i suspect you might not be as free as you think, and you might not be the author of the structure of the universe. if we are largely constrained here, why shouldn't we be constrained on the other side as well, albeit differently, or not as much perhaps.

infinity is true now, yet i don't have access to the other side across the veil, much less the beings far advanced of me and their realms. my thought is that you get to these realms when you are ready to belong in them.

even though i think your attitude is a good one. i've given some thought to the way that our prison here is a voluntary one of our own making and that getting free is largely a matter of seeing through the delusions.

well, onething, you might be right too. but what i said sounded damn good didn't it? lol :d

i just deem myself a free thinker. i don't take ra's or jesus's word as gospel. i will try my own way and see what happens. that is what life is about, right?

[eocavrWM]

sts and sto -

this is a place of polarity, and as with a battery you need both poles in order for current to flow. differential allowing for work prefers neither pole. differential. catalysis. mark

really? isn't 3d work gravitating toward one end or the other? is current flowing through us? are we both at the same time? does 4d keep the polarity separate? does 4d stop the flow? is there current flowing between, or within, a 4dpos social memory complex and a 4dneg one?

are you suggesting we maintain an internal differential to promote a catalysis?

are you saying that no one here has a pole preference?

[doksSirmAdods]

foo,

but what i said sounded damn good didn't it? lol yes it did. man, this forum is smokin'!

12th-

those are some good questions. how does it all really work? i await the wisdom of markm. but as for me, i'm all about personal polarization, i think it's the key to graduation!

i want outta here.

[robstamps]

really? isn't 3d work gravitating toward one end or the other? is current flowing through us? are we both at the same time? does 4d keep the polarity separate? does 4d stop the flow? is there current flowing between, or within, a 4dpos social memory complex and a 4dneg one?

are you suggesting we maintain an internal differential to promote a catalysis?

are you saying that no one here has a pole preference?

boy, 12th, you are smokin'! take a deep breath and relax a moment.

our under-appreciated ra scholar, mark m, is just reflecting the sense of the raw material....no more, no less...that is the safest path. most of the time....

from the ram...."questioner: yesterday we were talking about the split that occurs when an entity either consciously or unconsciously chooses the path that leads to either service to others or service to self. the philosophical question of why such a split even exists came up. it was my impression that just as it is in electricity, if we have no polarity in electricity we have no electricity; we have no action. therefore, i am assuming that it is the same in consciousness. if we have no polarity in consciousness we also have no action or experience. is this correct?"

ra: "i am ra. this is correct. you may use the general term 'work' "

keep on keepin' on! bbb

[steerryGritly]

thanks for the vote of confidence bbb

i think this "" in mark's post is more, much much more.

underappreciated? mark is very well thought of by me and others, and that is clearly expressed.

each one in this forum who has read the loo is a scholar on the subject, and i appreciate each one as such.

the ra quote in your post is simply an elaborate description of death or brain dead , imo. it's not a lesson in how an electrically active consciousness should achieve an end to work. it's simply stated that conscious activity is work. i'd prefer to hear from mark on his own post.

[myhackingtosh_ws]

thanks for the vote of confidence bbb

i think this in mark's post is more, much much more.

under-appreciated? mark is very well thought of by me and others, and that is clearly expressed.

each one in this forum who has read the loo is a scholar on the subject, and i appreciate each one as such.

the ra quote in your post is simply an elaborate description of death or brain dead , imo. it's not a lesson in how an electrically active consciousness should achieve an end to work. it's simply stated that conscious activity is work. i'd prefer to hear from mark on his own post.

dear mr. uranus, my apologies for getting excited and butting in. as you are i am anxiously waiting for mark m to step up to the plate and ...make a homer?

concerning mark, even suffocated by a load of diamonds, rubies and gold bullion dumped on him he would still be undervalued.

you did hurt my feelings by your marginalizing my heartfelt contribution. then i was faced with the responsibility of "approving" your rebuff. approve it? oh what ironic mockery!! i closed my eyes and stabbed at the mouse. you lucked out...seems it was meant to be from the beginning of time.....

mr. billybobbutterball, esq.

:d luv ya

[Intory]

thanks all for the kind comments! :d

i went to the loo searchable database ( which has been so kindly created and provided by our member 'twva') with a mind to brush up on the subject at hand before responding. i did a search, putting into the search engine the phrase which you will see in the link, at the top of the page.

what came up was to me a really neat collection of 'back and forth' between don elkins ( the questioner in the ra material) and the ra, and as so often happens when i use this searchable database some really serendipidous stuff came up!

so i'm just going to link you to the search results as they came up for me, as so much of what came up relates in many ways to many of the discussions taking place on the forum lately, including issues of polarity. note - this is a jumbled collection of excerpts and some of it is pretty heavy, but as you slog your way through you may gather a sense of the majesty of the material and gain a greater sense of sublimating issues of polarity:

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php...earch_type=any

to me, third density represents a place of equal opportunity for both polarities to be freely experienced in the sense of leading up to the defining moment of third density experience, which is represented by deciding which way to polarize.

there's a kind of dynamic tension between the two polaric influences here, which inevitably results in squeezing you for the choice. most of third density is taken up not by the 'choice', but by experiencing the interplay of the full range of that which results from experimenting with love/selfishness.

although i feel that pos/neg polarity is written into the basic fabric of existence as can be seen from the level of protons and electrons on up, and remains a basic physics mechanism throughout the densities, fourth density to me represents a splitting of the paths of opposing modes of soul evolution in the sense of polarity of experience - in the sense of whether you are choosing to approach the creator through making one's self evolve through total attention to one's self at the expense of others, not activating the heart center and developing one's personal power by sucking up the life energies of the rest of the universe (ultimate separation)... or by coming to love/wisdom/development via the means of having come to value the intrinsic worth of all life and loving, valuing and experiencing all as self.

fourth density positive seems to me the net result of having come to love and cherish all manifest life - to begin to learn the intricacies of unconditional love to the extent of actually beginning the process of allowing the totality of the essence of other souls to define your own identity. (a place where the machinations of the negative path no longer hold sway as they do here)

this is what the ra describe as the beginnings of the 'social memory complex' - not losing your identity in a sea of other identities, but having your own identity be engorged, grown and embellished by taking on as your own the identities of others.. to actually begin the process of literally becoming one.

cheers and happy hunting! mark

[blogforlovxr]

that is a wild goose chase of unstated purpose, mark. your purpose being hidden in many words and not concise.

here is a nice link to the reality of polarity not listed in your link:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=19&ss=1

i've not been confused about polarity. i have a desire to point out how much the negative path is frowned upon in this forum, and that the very frowning is a negative expression.

this particular thread was not about polarity until craftily moved there by ____


i finish with this quote

19.15 questioner: then, through free will, some time within the third density experience, the path splits and the entity consciously chooses—or he probably doesn’t consciously choose. does the entity consciously choose this path of the initial splitting point?
ra: i am ra. we speak in generalities which is dangerous for always inaccurate. however, we realize you look for the overview; so we will eliminate anomalies and speak of majorities.

the majority of third density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

[ManituIKOL]

@ onething

i refer to "nothing" in passion. nothing as in "all is in vane". as in the now will be nothing soon and the future is nothing now. mayan culture is nothingness, it's existence is irrelevant and unknown. nothing is true, about anything, it's all just a bunch of nothingness. we live in the now because we are here and that's that.

@foo
i beg to differ. they both exist. the time line you live in does exist. you live by the real rules of this illusion of a dimension you live on. if you don't eat, you die, that is fact. if you drop an apple it hits the ground. that beautiful butterfly outside your window might just be energy but it is real. and try telling your self that wasp outside your window isn't real and go grab it. i think you will get a painful reminder of the reality we live in. the things you describe have not to do with time. not eating will not kill you because you can not prove you will not eat a feast tomorrow, which does not exist. you can not prove that a wasp sting will hurt until it is actually in your hand, neither can you prove you saw it at the window before. it is real as it is there but never as it was or ever as it will be. is what is is .

it all comes to/from nothing. but i can't prove that

[Ruiptuptubre]

@foo


the things you describe have not to do with time. not eating will not kill you because you can not prove you will not eat a feast tomorrow, which does not exist. you can not prove that a wasp sting will hurt until it is actually in your hand, neither can you prove you saw it at the window before. it is real as it is there but never as it was or ever as it will be. is what is is.

it all comes to/from nothing. but i can't prove that

and you, 12thuranus, cannot prove that nothing can be proven.

and i beg to differ again. without time you have no space. without time you have no 3d illusory environment governed by gravity and the physical laws of physics. without time you have one instant and no variety between anything. without time there would be no difference between you and me, no difference between being hungry or not hungry, and we could not even be talking right now.

besides, how can you prove that what i said has nothing to do with time? since you can't prove anything anyway.

[fedelwet]

the majority of third density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

this is what i've been thinking about. the majority is already on it's chosen path before it all becomes clear.

i've been sensing that i am service to self. it is who i am. i've been feeling this for awhile now. it's my gut instincts, a flash of pure response to my question: what's my path? primarily, it's service to self.

but guess what? i serve myself by helping others.

the really is no such thing as evil.

[corkBrobe]

i have a friend who says, "the best way i seem to be able to help others is to help them hit rock bottom as fast as possible."

lol service to self? i know he has a good heart. i guess he feels like he is fighting against an impossible current.

[WebDocMan]

the majority of third density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious. yes. indeed, long before even conscious realization of the existance of two polar opposite paths.

my suggested point is simple and unveiled by hidden motive. what is the point of all this discussion of polarity in a thread of this sort?

eckhardt tolle is much better able to conjure up the benefits of living in the moment, so i'll leave that up to you to explore. for those who are awakening spiritually to the philosophy of one, and for the many who visit this forum and attempt to gain a bigger picture of the dynamics of what is occuring now in terms of the end of the grand cycle, i wish to speak to the grand design of the universe with it's use of the two polar opposite paths as an engine of evolution in 3d, and also to the purpose of it all as i am able to deduce to the best of my ability.

i'm leading into areas of post - ascension, and speaking to possible results of polarizing positive. the ra are clear that 4d pos heralds the formation of a social memory complex, wherein the denizens of fourth pos begin to experience catalyst which leads to a new state of being involving enhancement of identity and at the same time, a merging of identity with others...

here's an excerpt of a post i made a few years ago on this subject:

here is something to help understand: a drop of water, upon learning it is to fall into the ocean, fears it will dissolve into the ocean and cease to exist as itself. but if you pour the ocean into the drop, so that the drop absorbs the ocean, it becomes the ocean without losing it's identity. this is kind of like the situation we are in, but each of us has already absorbed a large part of the ocean.

so, rest assured that as you grow, your knowledge of yourself will continue to grow, and as you continue to 'absorb the ocean', you really are uncovering what you always have been, and that is intelligent infinity, or, if you like, god. to me, 4d pos involves becoming one with others in a literal sense, and is a direct result of having polarized positive. this development of a smc may in turn (in higher densities of existance) herald every individual's eventual encompassment of planets, suns and galaxies, etc.... as experienced differences between entities give way to each member of a smc encompassing more and more of the sum of others' being within identity.

this flow of becoming, throughout 3d (place of interplay of both polaric paths) and into 4d pos (place of singular positive polaric evolution) as elucidated by the ra may be of interest to many on these forums.

i prefer not to go too far into issues of the path of 4d negative, beyond saying it seems a hellish alternative to my nature, as i seek to love life and work to spread positive polaric vibes of green ray. i appreciate and value the path and role of the negs, but would rather my positive polarizing towards social memory complex serve to help others on the same path. in this, i wish negs well, but wish no further involvement at present. i value this forum as a rare cyber-space refuge for those attempting to strengthen their positive polarity of service to others.

'social memory complex' is another good search topic on the searchable database of the ra material.

http://www.lawofone.info/

mark, suggesting my own imaginings without telling you the way it is, and hoping you are inspired to explore further.

[repldoinfo]

i have a desire to point out how much the negative path is frowned upon in this forum, and that the very frowning is a negative expression. whereas on the other hand i suspect that when people on this forum go out of their way to say that both paths are equally valid they are trying to act wise and tolerant.

ra may say that both paths ultimately lead to the same result, and it may very well be true (i think it is) that the 6d negatives will make a tremendous contribution when they turn positive, evil does not have ultimate existence and requires the good to feed off of and is therefore a less legitimate path, it is negating of life which is the fundamental attribute of the creator and is therefore a less legitimate path, and it is a path of suffering and stolen pleasure, and is therefore a less legitimate path.

i do not think it is at all negative to say this. it is speaking the truth. it is separating positive from negative, which is necessary to see clearly, as seeing clearly is necessary to polarization, at least at the later stages.

i do appreciate how difficult it is to polarize. it goes against the grain, it requires sustained effort and consistency, it doesn't allow one to rest, it requires sacrifice and strength.

[Pjayjukr]

this is what i've been thinking about. the majority is already on it's chosen path before it all becomes clear.

i've been sensing that i am service to self. it is who i am. i've been feeling this for awhile now. it's my gut instincts, a flash of pure response to my question: what's my path? primarily, it's service to self.

but guess what? i serve myself by helping others.

the really is no such thing as evil.

well gee whiz, you caused me to do a double take!

very clever...or have i outsmarted myself? nah!!

i think that you are right -- the greatest service to oneself is through serving others...and 51% to others compared to 49% to oneself seems a ratio one can joyfully live with and thrive!!

i would disagree with you in that there is indeed evil...in the old testament "god" declares that he is the author of all evil...maybe we need to redefine and update the term?

old bbb

[VitaliyMurnov]

or maybe it's because the god of the old testament is not the real god?

[acceraStoof]

you are the real god. you do what you wish. you think, and you come to a conclusion; you decreed.

- - -

now the negative path seems very scary to many people. :d

but there's nothing to fear. we are bettering ourselves through interaction with others, one way or another.

but i am not the typical sts; i do not wish to steal your money. to me, that is not indulging at all. that is trying to manipulate an already corrupt and hated system. when i see money, all i see is control, and i despise it. the idea of money had good intentions, but people became warped, primarily because of this veil! they didn't know any better! all they wanted was a really cool yacht!

[Abanijo]

onething says:

or maybe it's because the god of the old testament is not the real god?

hi, anna... yes.

two things involved, first the confusing different meanings given "evil" whether as moral evil or calamity. moral evil is rebellion against god. but it doesn't seem rational that the one creator can be neurotic enough to rebel against itself.

second cause of confusion is the varying concept of the nature of god. traditionally, god is absolutely transcendent,and the cosmos was a "creation "ex nihilo." (creation out of nothing ) seems to me that the idea of such a creation is so much theological smoke and mirrors. in contrary views such as pantheism or panentheism we find the creation is done out of the very essence of the creator...rather than nothing....whatever "nothing" could possible be.

in the traditional exclusively transcendental concept there is an absolute separation between the cosmos and the creator. with the other two views all that is is and is of the one creator. i keep running into bits that suggest that whenever we think we are zeroing in on an understanding of the proper object of worship we still sense there is a shadowy concept lying behind even that...something absolutely immutable akin to brahman....our job of exploring the cosmos may be for the benefit of a sub-logi "source" just this side of such an absolute


here is what causes the fuss over it....

•i form the light, and create darkness: i make peace, and create evil: i the lord do all these things. (isaiah 45:7, kjv)
•shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the lord hath not done it? (amos 3:6, kjv)
•out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good? (lamentations 3:38)

looks like a bad translation in the king james version above...the term "evil' obviously makes better sense when rendered as "calamity"

well, i tried! bbb