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I'm slightly against euthanasia because it reduces the percived need to find cures for conditions.

[Toivaluadiora]

This is what happens when you live in a nanny state. People forget how to do things for themselves. Why doesn't she just take some initiative and do it herself rather wanting to make the doctor kill her. Given the pic, she's clearly not confined to a bed as a result of her condition so she's clearly able to slit her own wrists or shoot herself.

Plus since it doesn't seem to be life threatening, she's likely just depressed. Not a really good reason to beg the government to kill you.

[durootrium]

Originally posted by Kidicious
So what, you guys think everyone is going to start killing themselves? It's the laziness I have a problem with.

[gennickO]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
The solution isn't to kill people but to find appropriate treatment methods. Oh GEE. Thanks Ben!

If only someone had told the doctors to look for a way to treat this!

[Xxmlqevq]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
This is what happens when you live in a nanny state. People forget how to do things for themselves. Why doesn't she just take some initiative and do it herself rather wanting to make the doctor kill her. Given the pic, she's clearly not confined to a bed as a result of her condition so she's clearly able to slit her own wrists or shoot herself. She probably wants to have some pills to get it pain-free which doesn't strike me as a particular weird idea from her perspective. And the problem in general isn't only about her.

That said, this is one of the issues where I am just fine with the fact that I don't have to decide on it

[Qvqnubpj]

Originally posted by Adagio


You're right that it would be best to find a treatment to the disease, but how would you feel if it was you? Horrible, but you also feel horrible if the murderer of your daughter walks free and you can not take the law into your own hand.

[frequensearules]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


No, but I do think that fewer diseases that are not profitable to cure will be cured.
That really doesn't make any sense at all. Of course people are still going to try to cure people. Just because someone kills themselves doesn't mean the disease isn't bad.

[MannyLopez]

You're right that it would be best to find a treatment to the disease, but how would you feel if it was you? If I was in her spot?

Depression is a sickness, and that's the real problem here. She doesn't see the world the way the rest of us do.

People can learn to live with chronic conditions or disability, provided they don't also suffer from depression. It's the depression that gets people to think that they would be better off dead then alive.

I'd probably feel the same as she does, that suicide would be a way out, but I'd not be asking for someone else to kill me. I'd also be very very wrong to think that, especially when there is effective treatment for depression.

[giDdfezP]

Originally posted by Kidicious



That really doesn't make any sense at all. Of course people are still going to try to cure people. Just because someone kills themselves doesn't mean the disease isn't bad.
Fewer people suffering = less altruistic motivation

I will admit altruistic motivation is in very short supply when it comes to curing diseases

But the following is true as well

Fewer people suffering from aliment =smaller pressure group

[Rjvpicux]

That really doesn't make any sense at all. Of course people are still going to try to cure people. Just because someone kills themselves doesn't mean the disease isn't bad. There are many people in institutional care who are wards of the state. It's cheaper to just kill them rather then take care of them and attempt to treat them.

As Heraclitus said, it removes the impetus to find a cure, if there is a cheaper and simpler solution in the short run.

This is why I have a problem with euthanasia, and in places where it is legal, you are already seeing this happen. The right to die eventually becomes the duty to die and to stop being a burden on other people.

[Ruilnasr]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


You do have to have an opinion on it though. Not a decidedly pro or contra one, no. I can very well afford that luxury here

Thing is I agree with much of the contra stuff, but in individual cases like this I can understand the pro side as well. But maybe this thread brings me to a clear POV. Poly threads change people's opinions all the time

[lidya-sggf]

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[klubneras]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Depression is a sickness, and that's the real problem here. She's depressed because kids run away from her when they see her. That's different from suffering from depression. You seem almost as insensitive as DD in this thread.

[Charryith]

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[koebforfrn]

She's depressed because kids run away from her when they see her. That's different from suffering from depression. You seem almost as insensitive as DD in this thread. Because I refuse to kill her?

I don't see how killing her is the 'compassionate' response.

When someone who is depressed comes to me and says they want to kill themselves, is the 'compassionate' response to give them the means to do so?

By your own admission, she is suffering from depression, and depression is contributing to her sense of worthlessness.

[sEe]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
The aspirin comparison is stupid kid. I'm stupid? This is what you said...

"Fewer people suffering = less altruistic motivation"

What else are we suppose to assume that you meant?

[18holesin]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
I'm slightly against euthanasia because it reduces the percived need to find cures for conditions. The perceived need to find future cures is determined, by society and by funding, largely by how many people a disease kills, not by how painful it is.

[ftpsoft]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Fine.

Give me a list of sources you find acceptable, otherwise I'm just wasting my time. I'm just saying that it's suspicious that the article talks about morphine use by terminally ill patients.

[HonjUopu]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Fine.

Give me a list of sources you find acceptable, otherwise I'm just wasting my time. How about one with actual sources?

Have you checked out http://www.jrank.org/ before...?