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Old 09-23-2011, 12:19 AM   #1
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Default Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri Didn't Memorize the Qur'an?!


Is it true that Maulana Kashmiri did not memorize the Qur'an? I've heard this on a number of occasions, but I've never been shown any proof for it. Does anyone have any quotes from his son or his students regarding this matter?
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:32 AM   #2
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Walikum Salam

I recently heard an Alim quote the incident in which Maulana Kashmiri was in a library in an Arab country, and was not given permission to copy from a manuscript, nor remove it from the library. On returning to India, Maulana rewrote the manuscript from memory, correcting some errors which were present in the original manuscript. After mentioning this incident, the Alim said that Maulana Kashmiri was not a Hafiz or Quran, and one of the explanations given is that each time he would sit to memorize a verse, he would recall all of the knowledge he had concerning the verse and he would be kept busy in its understanding and explanation etc, and would not be able to focus on its memorization.
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:37 AM   #3
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Walikum Salam

I recently heard an Alim quote the incident in which Maulana Kashmiri was in a library in an Arab country, and was not given permission to copy from a manuscript, nor remove it from the library. On returning to India, Maulana rewrote the manuscript from memory, correcting some errors which were present in the original manuscript. After mentioning this incident, the Alim said that Maulana Kashmiri was not a Hafiz or Quran, and one of the explanations given is that each time he would sit to memorize a verse, he would recall all of the knowledge he had concerning the verse and he would be kept busy in its understanding and explanation etc, and would not be able to focus on its memorization.


Yes, I too heard it.
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:42 AM   #4
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i remember this being in a book about allama saab
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:05 AM   #5
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With all due respect, I already mentioned I heard about it on a number of occasions. I don't really trust what I hear in bayans, because they are often full of inaccurate information. If anyone, has proof from his son or his students, please mention it.
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:50 AM   #6
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I have heard a different reason from a very respectable senior alim. The reason given was that since he had a photographic memory, Allah blessed him in such a way that he had the ability to memorize volumes and volumes of works just by reading it once. He would devour kitaabs on science, philosophy, mathematics, fiqh and tafseer with no trouble at all.
However, Allah has told us that the Qu'ran is a book which cannot be defeated and is unlike no other. So despite him being able to memorize so much, Allah made it so that the Qu'ran was the only book he could not memorize; and thus was the only book which defeated him.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:03 AM   #7
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Wow...Really interested to know the answer here, because I have heard the story about Molana Kashmiri Saab & the kitaab in Jamia Azhar & how he re-wrote it (with corrections!), from many reliable Ulema. I would be surprised if it transpires that they had not memorised the Quran, but either way, what an awe-inspiring personalilty!!!

This has been discussed earlier on this forum. His son stated it was wrong since he never went to Egypt.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:23 AM   #8
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yes it is true he was not a hafiz of Qur'an he's son confirmed this to ulema.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:28 AM   #9
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If my memory serves me right, Shaykh Riyadh ul Haq has mentioned on numerous occasions hearing directly from Allamah Anwar Shah Kashmiris son that his father had not memorized the Quran despite his having a photographic memory.
I cannot find the exact clip at this moment.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:41 AM   #10
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a must see. This is where Shaykh Riyadh ul Haq speaks about Maulana sahib and when he met his son.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AlKawtha...40/WN1KLN5depI
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:53 AM   #11
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wa rahmatullah,
This has been discussed earlier on this forum. His son stated it was wrong since he never went to Egypt.
And here is the confirmation from our mufti :
Allamah Kashmiri never visited Egypt, in his entire life.
This is clear from his biographies and was mentioned by his son, Ml. Anzar Shah Saheb, when he visited South Africa a few years ago.

Also, Nur al-Idah was in the subcontinent years before that.
Ml. Abd al-Hay al-Laknawi (d. 1304 ah) had the book, as well the commentaries on the book written by Allamah Shurunbulali.

Sadly, this story is extremly famous in all madrasahs and is religiously repeated to every class studying Nur al-Idah.

We also heard it repeatedly and if it wasn't for some of our teachers asking ml. Anzar Shah about it, we would have also been repeating it to our pupils.

There are numerous other reliable stories about Allamah Kashmiris memory, so this one not being quoted shouldn't be a problem.
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=313398
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:37 PM   #12
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Many great ulema were not huffaz.

So does that decrease Hazrat Anwar Shah (RA) 's value as an Aalim?

Just asking, i know the OP asked a sincere question.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:40 PM   #13
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[QUOTE=Abu_Bilal;669508]Many great ulema were not huffaz.

As-Salamu Alaikum,

What great ulama of the past did not finish the Qur'an? This is certainly not true of the four imams or their students. I can't think of any of the Arab scholars of high rank that have not memorised the Book of Allah

How could he be scholar in hadeeth if he did not know the rulings that explain hadith from Kitabullah? Maybe we should back away from him as a role model.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:36 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Abu_Bilal Many great ulema were not huffaz.
As-Salamu Alaikum,

What great ulama of the past did not finish the Qur'an? This is certainly not true of the four imams or their students. I can't think of any of the Arab scholars of high rank that have not memorised the Book of Allah

How could he be scholar in hadeeth if he did not know the rulings that explain hadith from Kitabullah? Maybe we should back away from him as a role model. Have you read any of his books? Only a truly delusional individual would not consider him a scholar of hadith.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:36 PM   #15
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As-Salamu Alaikum,

What great ulama of the past did not finish the Qur'an? This is certainly not true of the four imams or their students. I can't think of any of the Arab scholars of high rank that have not memorised the Book of Allah

How could he be scholar in hadeeth if he did not know the rulings that explain hadith from Kitabullah? Maybe we should back away from him as a role model.


Brother, have you read his works before making such a comment? Do you know the amount of Ilm that Allah Ta'ala had granted to him? Please be extremely careful before making such a careless comment.

Please do not offense at my tone however your comment to back away from him as a role model is one which is not based on any sound and justifiable premise.

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Old 09-23-2011, 03:38 PM   #16
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Have you read any of his books? Only a truly delusional individual would not consider him a scholar of hadith.


Brother godilali it was not Brother Abu Bilal who posted this but brother rabbits. I had made the same mistake and had to correct it.

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Old 09-23-2011, 05:02 PM   #17
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Brother godilali it was not Brother Abu Bilal who posted this but brother rabbits. I had made the same mistake and had to correct it.

Couldn't memorize would be an appropriate title? Anyway, can some one verify the OP
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:12 PM   #18
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wa rahmatullah,

And here is the confirmation from our mufti :

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=313398
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:51 PM   #19
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This has been discussed earlier on this forum. His son stated it was wrong since he never went to Egypt.
But Allama Yousuf Binori sb ru relates an incident about Qari Mohammad Tayyib sb visiting hazrat asking him about a person and Hazrat Shah sb told the ahwal of that raawi and mentioned that i read it in Egypt.!!
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:08 PM   #20
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wa rahmatullah,

And here is the confirmation from our mufti :

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=313398
Allama Anzar Shah ru states in NAQSH-E-DAWAM that his visit to egypt is confirmed but the incident that he wrote nur ul idah from his memory is not authentic because it Nur-ul-Idha was already in the course of dars-e-nizami!!
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